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this is Lou Elizondo and you are

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listening to that UFO podcast

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast it's been a while since I've

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done a round table and I thought no

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better way to kick off March than be

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lazy and invite some other people on to

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do the talking for me so joining me to

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discuss a busy few months that I've

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kicked off 2023 to give him a proper

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introduction which is rare the

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co-founder of UAP media UK the

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co-founder of 33 ounce media Fidelity or

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that's weird I've never said out loud

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um 33 ounce media and part of the

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phenomenology team soon to begin filming

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their second season out in Colombia you

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will almost definitely know him from the

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breakdowns on this podcast Daniel

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zettelstrom or Dan hi Dan

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because you said Daniel I feel like I'm

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in trouble now yeah the weirdest part

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um also we have the host and creator of

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the wonderful summer in this guys

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podcast he asked me to say that he has

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an author researcher presenter and also

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part of the UAP media UK team Ryan

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Sprigg Ryan welcome to the Pod thanks

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man I'm uh cleanly shaving looking like

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just just look back and letting you guys

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do all the work I never packed up you

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had shaved I just thought you looked ill

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so for those on YouTube that will be

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able to see Ryan yeah he's just shaved

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and speaking of shaved uh finally one of

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the cabbies over at calling all beings

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and one half of the spectacular liminal

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frames he is uh I I know you

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affectionately as a wave Soul because

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that was how originally saw your content

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on Twitter and it is Nathan Nathan

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welcome back

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thank you Andy I'll always have

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affection for you as well good to be

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here thanks it's where I get it in my

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life at this age so thank you all for

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joining me um this particular show Peak

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behind the actors cutting here has

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changed a few times as I had a few

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different ideas what I wanted to talk

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about but given the listener response on

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a patreon Discord YouTube and emails

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with the flow here and uh go with your

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talking points to put out to the guys

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and myself so let's jump straight in uh

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there's been a lot happening it's been a

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busy 2023 so far

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um Layla on emails very good song by

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Eric Clapton as well

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um Leslie Kane's series UFOs

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investigating the unknown was fantastic

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she says it was perfect for a few people

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or for new people to the subject and had

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enough in it to keep folks with a

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long-standing interest in grossed what's

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next though in terms of a series that

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really pushes the envelope as amazing as

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this series was it seems like it's five

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episodes and done till the next one like

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this rolls along I want to see more

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follow-up things to be built on as that

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unfair I'll come to you first then and I

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think what she's getting at thank you

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for that Layla is for example

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unidentified a really good introduction

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to the UFO topic it introduce you to

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people like Leila zondo Sean Cahill you

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know Ryan Graves and others that are now

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big parts of it but then a couple of

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drops which is a fantastic introduction

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to the UFO topic doesn't get built on

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quality documentaries to having these

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that are really concise and just really

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really well made and in terms of them

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before and a few other characters kind

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of who open up about certain things so

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it's getting getting more in-depth and

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establishing the the players in the

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space and and their credentials in in a

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more in-depth concise way as we go you

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kind of getting to the point a bit

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quicker for people but just like the

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phenomenon movie it gets to a point

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past that yet and I think the reason is

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kind of space so I'm sure once we get

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hearings once we kind of get you know

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James Fox there on the phenomenon just

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Ryan I'll come to you next on that same

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question but also add as someone who

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creates content themselves right in

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different ways for TV for podcasts books

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audience is there for that continued

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series to be made like there's there's

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that like Dan says it's these great

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series well put together introduces the

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topic to two million viewers three

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million viewers is there enough there

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forgetting the UFO Twitter Community for

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example which is you know a few thousand

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in the Reddit Community which is a few

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thousand that's not enough to justify

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another full TV series is it do you

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consume that type of media yeah good

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question I mean you know the normal I

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everyday person who doesn't look into

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this stuff like we all do

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content or research and whatnot uh if I

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just say Tic Tac UFO I'd say probably

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like 95 of them know what I'm talking

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about now and that's people who've never

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looked into UFOs and and stuff like that

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that was like on the or on the west

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a lot of um the buzzwords that kind of

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fly around mainstream media with a lot

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of this but they don't know the

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nitty-gritty they don't know who

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Commander fraver is they don't know who

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um Ryan Graves is or what go fast is so

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mainstream places are trying to catch up

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unidentified or uh even the stuff that

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James Fox did that's why we're now

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seeing 60 Minutes in in all these

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mainstream sort of outlets um

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try to do their own version of The Cliff

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can kind of move on uh but again that's

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thinks breathes lives and sleeps this

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stuff so maybe every single one of these

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things has some sort of value and and

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and I think they do you know if one new

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person is now learning about everything

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2017. uh that's awesome and to kind of

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play off of what Dan said I know for a

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fact that people like James Fox are

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trying to do that trying to move this

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conversation forward instead of just

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yesterday about this and he's currently

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follow-up to everything that's been

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that but I do know that he he's kind of

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he's like okay we get it we know kind of

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the new ufology post 2017 now what like

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the ripple effect of all of this again

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if one filmmaker saw that Leslie Kane

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series and is now inspired to continue

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Bob Lazar or um you know about the the

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mosul orb whatever whatever Corbell is

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bringing forward uh that can have a

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ripple effect for more people to now

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come forward and continue that story in

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the way they see uh they see fit I guess

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expect a new series to bring out a new

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video you know the new attack then you

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go faster no gimbal that's not going to

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happen in a documentary it takes a year

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holding of a piece of footage that's

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that that incredible you know the black

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fabled and talked about that's not going

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to appear in a documentary for the first

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time because that that goes on the news

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many times before like that that comes

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out in a big way on socials that that's

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high noon material you know for a Jeremy

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Corbell as we would say so are there

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expectations of some of these

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astronomical so the appetite the

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interest is there it's where is where is

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the message being given and what

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human society because we're very

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permission to be interested and when

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this topic from Fringe circles inner

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circles tiny circles into outer Circles

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of of a greater acceptability in a

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bigger platforms Bigger Productions as

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Dan and uh and Ryan pointed out the

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quality of these Productions have gotten

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better over time so that is continuing

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to happen as that happens at least I

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think this an inflection point will

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occur where it's on the right platform

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in the right places for enough people to

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see it and say oh wait I can you mean I

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can take this seriously now I've always

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been interested but you're telling me I

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can take it seriously and therefore we

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all can take it seriously that's what I

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think I'm looking for and I feel like

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with Leslie's show it is moving in that

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direction

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someone who makes a podcast that I won't

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complain because anything that comes out

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like this you see a trickle down to to

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listeners viewers

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opportunities for people artists you

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know and it means that our other

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podcasts pop up you see these like Dan

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phenomenology become you know viable and

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they can be made and people have an

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interest in it and

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I I don't see that as a bad thing and

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maybe it's a little bit like expecting

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every Marvel movie to be an Avengers

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film as opposed to getting the big

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Avengers movie and then seven movies

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after that which are smaller but can I

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tell the individual stories but that's

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where a James Fox leaves and goes and

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does you know a smaller Virginia piece

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which has more of a niche audience he

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goes on to Ryan's podcast he he writes a

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book that Dan commissions the cover of

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and you know different people get

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different aspects of that and eventually

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it comes back to phenomenology too where

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that big audience can jump on board

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again and everyone else has benefited

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from those kind of smaller conversations

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around about so I just don't know if

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we're going to see it I would like to

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see people like Leslie follow up with a

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bigger series again but that's down to

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the networks to kind of pick up that

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kind of stuff and run with it and timing

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can always be a big thing as well can to

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last year CNN no it was it CNN done the

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HBO Max the JJ Abrams

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series that ended up a little bit of a

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damp scrub I think was fair to see

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because it started well and then went

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right off the the cliff in terms of

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credibility I think was the the common

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consensus so interested to kind of see

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where that goes but yeah it's it's it's

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one for for the future and we're going

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to see more documentaries there's always

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going to be them you know going back

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because we've talked about the days of

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video stores having you know the alien

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autopsy videos or the same Dan when

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we've talked about UFO sightings you'd

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go in and see like the top 50 UFO

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sightings now caught on tape with never

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before seen footage and all that stuff

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kind of happens just in a much much

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nicer way now so

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um lots to come from that space still

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but yeah I agree it was a good series

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I've not seen the full thing yet um but

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what I have seen looks good it's got the

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right players the right tone I just

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would love to see more that kind of next

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step on there

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um

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following on from that something that's

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been kind of part of the new cycle

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recently Tom I don't think that tommed

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along

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um could have been uh but I don't think

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so are we really believing that those

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three objects that were shot down by the

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US Jets were all balloons something

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about all of this just doesn't set right

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this has obviously been a big talking

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point for for many many weeks now

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um it got to the point where it looks

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like hobby balloons were being blamed or

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you know cited is the reason for these

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things being shut down I've had some

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listeners send me some pictures of

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various different arts and crafts pieces

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that are being shown and it does seem a

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little bit like we're going back to the

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the original Roswell photos for the

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Jesse Marcel you know with the the

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wooden the the foil in the wood going oh

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look this is what we found

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is it just were conditioned to the

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conspiracy side of things with this

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topic

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or was that a case of no no these

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Matthew balloons being shot down um

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right I'll come at your first on this

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one what are your thoughts on how their

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stories kind of played out yeah I mean I

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changed my mind every day and it's

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frustrating I'm sick of it I I if I if I

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hear the word balloon now like I

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immediately run away it makes me feel

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nauseous however

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um every conversation had on this and

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every outlet that covers it

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um I learn a little bit more uh

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technically about like what these things

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could be the aircraft in which uh

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attract them

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um possibly captured photo or video and

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eventually shot him down you know

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specifically with Tim McMillan at the

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debrief I learned a lot from an article

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he released about this recently and I'm

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kind of right now at a point where uh I

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don't think any of these were hobby

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balloons I I don't

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um that's not to say I think they're

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extraterrestrial craft either um I do

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believe that almost every single one of

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these things shot down were some sort of

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surveillance equipment I mean you don't

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just go uh identify a hobby balloon and

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shoot it down it just doesn't seem it

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just seems illogical to me at this point

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and you know recently speaking with a

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fighter pilot on on the show uh they

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specifically said they know exactly what

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they are they would not and she said

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this having done things like this shot

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things down she said they would not

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shoot it down if they didn't have a

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positive identification of what it was

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just know that so I don't think it's a

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matter of uh we we're very unclear on

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what it was but we shot it down and now

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they're not going to recover the debris

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like we all know this at this point this

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story is uh Ad nauseam

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um but I'm at the point right now where

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now I believe that it all it's all

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political it's all geopolitical it's all

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sort of surveillance uh

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equipment of some kind and uh that's

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where I land right now ask me tomorrow

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I'm probably going to go back to it was

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a Boy Scout Troop and it was a weather

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balloon I don't know dude it's so

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dizzying and I'm kinda over it

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um but at the same time like as UFO

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researchers we have to continue to chase

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this story yeah because it does

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unwittingly involve us all in some way

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shape or form like people come to us and

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want to know what's going on and uh I

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wish we had answers for them

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um but we're not getting that the

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transparency to give anyone answers so

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yeah that's kind of where I'm at with

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all with all of this I'm with you or not

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you can land on an opinion and I've said

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enough time sedan on this that I think

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you know X is the reasonable outcome for

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this piece of footage or this video or

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this story but if things come to light

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where that changes for good or for bad

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then you have to roll with it and you

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have to have that kind of fluid opinion

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in this topic and I think that's where

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you get a lot of the arguments on social

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media don't you where people are so hard

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and fast on one thing that they don't

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allow the rest of the evidence whether

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it means it debunks something for them

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or not to connect to kind of get in the

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way Nathan however you can have followed

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this story and whether you're gonna sit

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in with it

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I uh I empathize a lot with what Ryan

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said in terms of the head spinning

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nature of the whole Saga it's uh it's

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it's exhausting to kind of think about

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the different uh angles of consideration

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here I you know I tend to look at this

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though from a big picture standpoint and

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and what this does to

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our Collective uh sort of thinking our

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Consciousness related to uh what the U.S

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can do or does do in its Skies the fact

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that it occurred so recently in

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proximity to that balloon incident the

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large Chinese balloon is perplexing the

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fact that they haven't released any

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footage whatsoever of this perplexing

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the hobbyist balloon uh you know example

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to me doesn't really

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ring very true because if if it were

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like a scientific balloon or a hobby

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balloon wouldn't one of those groups

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already claim that it was theirs

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wouldn't one of those groups already

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come forward and say yeah that you know

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we we lost it however we had GPS on it

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they all use GPS for those things and it

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went you know fell into the ocean or

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whatever this at this time of that you

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know so we've heard none of that we've

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not heard the government really point to

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that either you know oh hey we found it

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it was in fact High balloon and here's

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the group that was using it so yeah so

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it's a little bit strange you couple

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that with comments like from Marco Rubio

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you know using the word Advanced objects

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in a comment recently which I think is

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pretty eyebrow raising

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um

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you know all that said to me it's it's

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part there's a kind of a climatization

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that that is happening in my opinion

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um I don't know how well it's

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orchestrated I don't know how

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coordinated it is

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um it could be a pretty Loosely

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coordinated or maybe not at all but I

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think the overarching effect is getting

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people thinking about what is in the sky

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what we do with objects in the sky and

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that then lays the groundwork for a

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variety of things in the future that may

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take place so it one it kind of you want

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the public to think that the government

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the US government has control over its

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airspace all right so so being able to

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identify these things and take them out

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of consideration as a threat to air

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safety is a great thing for the public

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to know oh our government's got the

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skies under control I can get on the

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plane and go visit my grandma and I'm

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not gonna have to worry about something

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that we're going to run into that's the

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kind of narrative that that you want to

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see

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but we don't have the complete story so

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it what I'm looking for now is what is

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the follow-up to that you know so I I'm

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I believe there are stories in the works

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and and the the best stories take time

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you know we all know this it's not that

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you can just write an article in a day

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uh that really digs into the deep

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aspects of what went on with what these

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with these incursions and encounters so

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there are stories in the works that are

544
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,260
going to in my opinion uh reveal greater

545
00:20:29,570 --> 00:20:27,840
detail about what happened here and and

546
00:20:31,070 --> 00:20:29,580
those will be really interesting

547
00:20:32,930 --> 00:20:31,080
um I don't think necessarily that we're

548
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:32,940
going to see like we shot down some sort

549
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:35,520
of you know alien craft or whatnot but I

550
00:20:38,930 --> 00:20:36,960
think it's a it's a more complicated

551
00:20:41,150 --> 00:20:38,940
story than just

552
00:20:42,830 --> 00:20:41,160
additional balloons hobbyist balloons

553
00:20:44,570 --> 00:20:42,840
you know scientific private group

554
00:20:46,190 --> 00:20:44,580
balloons that kind of thing I think it's

555
00:20:49,549 --> 00:20:46,200
more it's more complicated and it

556
00:20:50,990 --> 00:20:49,559
relates to the overall unfolding as what

557
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:51,000
I kind of pointed to earlier the

558
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,520
unfolding of this topic more broadly uh

559
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,200
in the public awareness

560
00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:57,600
then I've seen seen both those arguments

561
00:21:01,370 --> 00:20:59,580
kind of online our points that Nathan's

562
00:21:03,529 --> 00:21:01,380
made that one this is the US government

563
00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:03,539
trying to wrestle back control of the

564
00:21:07,549 --> 00:21:05,820
UFO narrative and put the toothpaste

565
00:21:09,710 --> 00:21:07,559
back in the trip by going look it's all

566
00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:09,720
balloons it's all misidentifications you

567
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:11,880
know we're in charge of this and maybe

568
00:21:15,890 --> 00:21:14,400
things will go away but also I've seen

569
00:21:17,169 --> 00:21:15,900
many people say that this is just the

570
00:21:20,270 --> 00:21:17,179
beginning of

571
00:21:22,010 --> 00:21:20,280
in a few months time does something else

572
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:22,020
get picked up that they turn around and

573
00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:23,520
see actually this isn't like what we

574
00:21:27,529 --> 00:21:26,039
shot down before we lost something and

575
00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:27,539
then a few months after that oh we've

576
00:21:31,310 --> 00:21:29,340
tracked something again but something

577
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,320
shot off into orbit and we've lost it

578
00:21:35,930 --> 00:21:33,360
and is that a way of that potential soft

579
00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:35,940
disclosure happening that they start to

580
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:37,380
admit there's something else out there

581
00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:39,120
where where are you sitting with all

582
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,860
that just now

583
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:42,240
yeah that's that's a really good

584
00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:43,919
question I I think the first thing to

585
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:46,140
say is that the the debris wasn't able

586
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,760
to be recovered because we all know luck

587
00:21:51,529 --> 00:21:49,679
he'd got there first right they they

588
00:21:54,649 --> 00:21:51,539
privately kind of scooped that up I'm

589
00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:54,659
kidding uh but yeah we had a number of

590
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:56,700
different objects there supposedly found

591
00:22:00,409 --> 00:21:58,799
because uh NORAD opened up their filters

592
00:22:02,270 --> 00:22:00,419
which just means they were looking at

593
00:22:05,630 --> 00:22:02,280
things outside of what they'd already

594
00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:05,640
identified the Fingerprints of and they

595
00:22:09,649 --> 00:22:07,140
found a whole bunch of other things out

596
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,659
there for me they're they're a kind of a

597
00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:11,520
few possibilities here either the US is

598
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,580
being genuine and they you know

599
00:22:18,110 --> 00:22:16,559
vaporize these objects and they were

600
00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:18,120
small and you know the debris kind of

601
00:22:23,149 --> 00:22:20,580
flew into the wind and that's that

602
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,159
um or they recovered these objects and

603
00:22:27,049 --> 00:22:25,679
whether it's anomalous or related to spy

604
00:22:30,049 --> 00:22:27,059
activities

605
00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:30,059
um there's some intelligence value there

606
00:22:33,289 --> 00:22:31,740
so they don't want to kind of show their

607
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,299
hand in the same way as they they didn't

608
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:35,039
show their hand in terms of saying hey

609
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,780
these are the shapes of all the UAP in

610
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:38,400
these range Fowler reports that we're

611
00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:39,840
again uh you know that was all

612
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:41,580
classified we know that

613
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,659
um and there'll be a reason that was

614
00:22:46,370 --> 00:22:44,400
classified you know it might be a case

615
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:46,380
of not only in China know that we know

616
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,760
that they know that we you know those

617
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:49,200
kind of like you say political games

618
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:50,720
right

619
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:54,240
or the U.S shut down some object that

620
00:22:57,289 --> 00:22:55,740
you know belonged to the CIA or

621
00:22:58,730 --> 00:22:57,299
something like that and they're just

622
00:23:01,850 --> 00:22:58,740
trying to cover up a whole bunch of

623
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,860
humiliation and and just being inept

624
00:23:04,909 --> 00:23:03,360
um you know it's always funny with these

625
00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:04,919
things because you have the two extremes

626
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,980
that either the government is playing 4D

627
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:09,120
chess

628
00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:10,799
um is brilliant and covering everything

629
00:23:14,690 --> 00:23:12,900
up or they're completely terrible at

630
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,700
what they do and they're just humans

631
00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:16,559
behind the wheel and you know they'll

632
00:23:21,409 --> 00:23:19,320
float uh so both of those can't be true

633
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:21,419
you know it's probably somewhere in the

634
00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:23,400
middle there's a lot of things it's been

635
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,659
really interesting seeing the kind of

636
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,400
the myth build though and people taking

637
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,080
these different portions of the story

638
00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:30,480
and running with them uh probably very

639
00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:31,860
similar to what happened back during

640
00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:35,880
Roswell uh where you know the the LIE

641
00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:37,380
supposedly travels around the world

642
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:39,000
before the truth can get its pants on

643
00:23:44,029 --> 00:23:41,220
that's the saying so we're essentially

644
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:44,039
seeing a modern day UFO myth being built

645
00:23:47,810 --> 00:23:45,720
no matter which way we look at it but

646
00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:47,820
the important thing is that these

647
00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:49,799
objects allow us to to kind of clear up

648
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:52,020
the data pile and to better Define what

649
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:54,120
it is that all of us here today are

650
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:55,679
interested in

651
00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:57,960
um there's huge interest due to this

652
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,580
being covered more which just leads to

653
00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:01,919
more opportunities for series and films

654
00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:03,539
like we were just talking about because

655
00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:04,860
people are going to be looking for this

656
00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:08,220
really concise good information uh the

657
00:24:12,049 --> 00:24:09,720
the whole Pico balloon thing is really

658
00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:12,059
strange the North Illinois bottle cap

659
00:24:17,270 --> 00:24:13,980
balloon Brigade which sounds like a fun

660
00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:17,280
club uh that's a mouthful uh nib will

661
00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:18,360
just say

662
00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:20,280
their website's actually gone down now

663
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:23,820
uh the the publication that said that

664
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,320
they were responsible and it was one of

665
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:27,600
their balloons has a number of kind of

666
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,640
DOD connections that a few people have

667
00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:32,400
pointed out are quite Shady uh and now

668
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,720
their website is down so obviously

669
00:24:38,090 --> 00:24:35,220
that's sending everyone's conspiracy

670
00:24:39,890 --> 00:24:38,100
flags up but it could just be that they

671
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:39,900
know that they will be fined for those

672
00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:41,640
Sidewinder missiles they'll have to pay

673
00:24:45,529 --> 00:24:43,860
the bill for all of those operations and

674
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,539
so they're like crap take the website

675
00:24:49,370 --> 00:24:47,520
down let's just it wasn't us we haven't

676
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,380
done anything what's a balloon you know

677
00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:51,120
let's just pretend

678
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:53,100
um so that's really interesting but as

679
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,600
Nathan and Ryan kind of both touched on

680
00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:57,120
we have to be open to learning and to

681
00:25:00,830 --> 00:24:59,159
having our ideas challenged because

682
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,840
daily there are new things that just

683
00:25:04,909 --> 00:25:03,120
make you kind of Wonder you know what

684
00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:04,919
direction this is going in we can all

685
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:06,900
agree that the government is just oozing

686
00:25:11,270 --> 00:25:09,600
confusion in its messages uh it raises

687
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:11,280
questions this whole situation raises

688
00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:13,860
questions about readiness and response

689
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:16,200
to potential threats from anything in

690
00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:17,460
the airspace that they don't know what

691
00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:18,840
it is

692
00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:21,419
that led to Biden kind of declaring that

693
00:25:25,430 --> 00:25:23,340
there's going to be an interagency UAP

694
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:25,440
task force which is amazing because

695
00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:26,940
that's what we wanted this whole time

696
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:28,440
you know it's basically saying look

697
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:30,120
Arrow isn't fit for purpose we need

698
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:31,740
something better to be looking at all of

699
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,419
these things and giving them out to the

700
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,520
correct departments so the people that

701
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,440
look at drone threats can identify those

702
00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:39,840
threats and deal with them but that does

703
00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:42,539
leave that nice tidy pile of anomalous

704
00:25:47,090 --> 00:25:44,700
data for us that is what we're

705
00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:47,100
interested in something curious uh just

706
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,460
to kind of finish off is that NASA study

707
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,799
they have been quietly updating their

708
00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:54,240
page as they've gone along they they

709
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:56,039
haven't updated it with a lot but when

710
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,600
they announce their study their website

711
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,799
said that they were looking at an

712
00:26:03,529 --> 00:26:01,200
unidentified aerial phenomena now after

713
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:03,539
this whole debacle uh they've actually

714
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:05,820
changed their definition to unidentified

715
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,960
anomalous phenomena so even though you

716
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:11,520
know the news is kind of broadened out

717
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,679
this scope to kind of be like oh UAP of

718
00:26:16,490 --> 00:26:15,120
balloons and Astro kind of going

719
00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:16,500
actually no we're going to include this

720
00:26:20,269 --> 00:26:19,080
anomalous kind of term because it kind

721
00:26:21,649 --> 00:26:20,279
of pushes the balloons out of the way

722
00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:21,659
then that's not what we're interested in

723
00:26:24,830 --> 00:26:23,400
you know they clearly want to learn

724
00:26:27,649 --> 00:26:24,840
something and they want to use their

725
00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:27,659
scientific instruments to to help kind

726
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,840
of demystify this whole this whole thing

727
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,880
I just hope at the end of the day the

728
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:34,799
the Balloon Club aren't too deflated I

729
00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:36,600
can't even see that with a straight face

730
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:37,620
um

731
00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:39,480
sorry I was sat on that for about three

732
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:43,380
minutes now yeah yeah yeah I just I had

733
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,020
to do it um maybe that's why the site

734
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,520
won't missed you know they popped it and

735
00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:50,400
it was doing the kind of thing yeah I

736
00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:52,020
made my first ever Tick Tock video and

737
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:54,360
it was the the up video of the the house

738
00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:55,740
enough going up with the balloons and

739
00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:57,480
then yeah the Chinese girls being shot

740
00:27:01,789 --> 00:26:59,700
down listen let's uh open up our own

741
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:01,799
radar and move from nuts and bolts into

742
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:03,960
a little bit more of the spiritual side

743
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:06,600
of things in a UFO topic so Chris bled

744
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,960
so Chris bledso senior his book hat UFO

745
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,760
of God released a couple of weeks early

746
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:14,159
and is pretty big news in the UFO world

747
00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:16,140
right now uh so we'll get some thoughts

748
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:18,179
on that uh this was from well-behaved

749
00:27:22,669 --> 00:27:21,240
dogs on YouTube and basically asked he

750
00:27:24,049 --> 00:27:22,679
or she said I would like to hear more

751
00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:24,059
discussion regarding the blades or

752
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:26,279
family and Chris bledsoe's huge amount

753
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:29,360
of uploaded videos of orbs on Instagram

754
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:31,740
Nathan come to you first on that I don't

755
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:32,820
know if you've even managed to pick up

756
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:35,220
the book yet I'm just starting to read

757
00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:37,140
it in preparation for Chris spled so

758
00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:39,779
coming on cast next week or so and what

759
00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:40,980
your thoughts been

760
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:42,539
that's great I'm glad you're getting a

761
00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:43,860
chance to talk to him yeah I did pick it

762
00:27:47,149 --> 00:27:45,659
up I've started I haven't finished it of

763
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:47,159
course I'm familiar with a lot of the

764
00:27:52,269 --> 00:27:49,260
the stories from Chris Bledsoe having

765
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,279
heard him speak many times I'm familiar

766
00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:55,200
with uh kind of many of the events of of

767
00:27:57,769 --> 00:27:56,460
the last year

768
00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:57,779
um and some of the anecdotes from the

769
00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:59,400
story as well that I'd heard about

770
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:01,860
through some other channels

771
00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:04,080
um you know I'm glad that it's out there

772
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:06,120
I'm glad that he's telling his story I

773
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:09,000
think we can't separate the uh the you

774
00:28:12,649 --> 00:28:10,740
know the Chris Bledsoe from The

775
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,659
Experience right so that's one of the

776
00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:14,640
challenges with and all of us have

777
00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:16,200
talked to experiencers it's one of the

778
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,900
challenges of trying to gain Insight

779
00:28:23,149 --> 00:28:20,640
from what people are experiencing

780
00:28:25,549 --> 00:28:23,159
because it is so in entwined with who

781
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,559
they are what they bring the context

782
00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:27,120
that they bring their interpretive

783
00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,220
framework for the experience it's

784
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:31,620
difficult to to kind of take that out uh

785
00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:33,419
you know Jacques valet has done a good

786
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:36,659
job I think over time of looking at what

787
00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:38,460
is actually happening and trying to

788
00:28:43,970 --> 00:28:41,400
separate the you know the detail scale

789
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:43,980
from the interpretation and that that's

790
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,480
something that I would incur encourage

791
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:47,760
readers to do of Chris's story you know

792
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,460
look at what he's experiencing how can

793
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:52,980
you sort of the best that you can take

794
00:28:57,289 --> 00:28:54,960
out the experience the detail from that

795
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:57,299
and separate that from the

796
00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:59,159
interpretation of it

797
00:29:01,789 --> 00:29:00,360
um we're we're still going to have to

798
00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:01,799
make an interpretation let's let's be

799
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:03,960
clear we can't not do that but I think

800
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:05,700
we want to make sure we're not just

801
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,620
taking it face value whatever

802
00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:10,559
interpretation uh Chris Bledsoe may be

803
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:12,120
bringing to the experience now he's

804
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,980
closest to it and I respect his

805
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:15,840
interpretation uh he's you know he's

806
00:29:19,549 --> 00:29:17,700
living it out he's he's experiencing

807
00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:19,559
that and I think we need to take it

808
00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:21,960
seriously what he is willing to share

809
00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:24,120
with us about those experiences how it

810
00:29:27,409 --> 00:29:25,320
has impacted him and his family

811
00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:27,419
personally and what he thinks it means

812
00:29:30,889 --> 00:29:29,100
for the world

813
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:30,899
um you know there are some big things

814
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:33,240
there that I don't think we can ignore

815
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,460
and and also there are things about his

816
00:29:39,610 --> 00:29:37,919
experience that are in parallel to many

817
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:39,620
of the experiences that we've all heard

818
00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:43,260
that in know the world is in sort of a

819
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:45,059
kind of State apparel in a way that

820
00:29:48,769 --> 00:29:46,740
there is danger that there there is

821
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,779
there uh there are some beings that are

822
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,640
trying to help us you know Chris's case

823
00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:53,279
the lady trying to help him uh there are

824
00:29:57,769 --> 00:29:55,260
people whose lives are upended because

825
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,779
of these encounters uh and then the last

826
00:30:01,730 --> 00:30:00,000
thing that I think is really key to

827
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,740
Chris's story maybe more so than many

828
00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:04,080
others is the degree of official

829
00:30:09,289 --> 00:30:07,260
interest in what took place that to me

830
00:30:12,350 --> 00:30:09,299
gives it a ton of credibility that there

831
00:30:14,510 --> 00:30:12,360
were so many different agencies involved

832
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:14,520
both then and I think continue to be

833
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:17,159
involved with what Chris is experiencing

834
00:30:21,769 --> 00:30:19,740
and trying to understand uh what is

835
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:21,779
taking place with Chris Bledsoe

836
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:24,480
personally and at his property uh what

837
00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:28,020
can we learn from that because as we all

838
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,059
know it's difficult to pin the phenomena

839
00:30:35,930 --> 00:30:32,880
down into a laboratory setting we really

840
00:30:37,549 --> 00:30:35,940
have to go where it's happening so we're

841
00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:37,559
going to go to places like Skinwalker

842
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:38,940
Ranch we're going to go to places like

843
00:30:42,649 --> 00:30:41,220
Chris bledsoe's house trying to figure

844
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:42,659
out what's taking place because things

845
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:45,000
seem to happen there we have a lot of

846
00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:47,340
documented examples of that both not

847
00:30:50,269 --> 00:30:49,140
just from his you know orb videos which

848
00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:50,279
I know some people can be very

849
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:52,200
frustrated with but people who have been

850
00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:55,500
with him and have seen things happen I

851
00:30:59,389 --> 00:30:57,179
know people who have had that experience

852
00:31:02,029 --> 00:30:59,399
and it's hard to Discount that and I

853
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:02,039
think that to me is what uh it really

854
00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:04,200
does kind of move things forward I I

855
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:06,120
don't know about you guys I'm I'm at the

856
00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:07,320
place now where I don't need another

857
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:09,960
video like the videos are actually like

858
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,580
I almost kind of don't even want to

859
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:13,440
watch videos anymore because to me that

860
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:16,380
just their distraction but when someone

861
00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:18,120
tells me that they've had an experience

862
00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:20,520
and I trust that person I take that very

863
00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:22,980
very seriously and I think that that's

864
00:31:26,690 --> 00:31:25,140
what's happening here with Chris it's

865
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,700
kind of give again I'm going to come

866
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:28,080
back to kind of my bigger perspective

867
00:31:33,169 --> 00:31:29,520
perspective it's giving people

868
00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:33,179
permission to come forward with what

869
00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:34,919
they are experiencing and and say you

870
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,600
know this did this also happened to me

871
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,640
and I don't understand it and here's a

872
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,320
person who is brave enough to you know

873
00:31:43,370 --> 00:31:42,000
publish their their story and people

874
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,380
take him seriously well maybe people

875
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:45,600
will take me seriously the more Chris

876
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:49,200
bledsoes we have the better off we are

877
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:51,720
then we've talked about the the bledso

878
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:53,880
story publicly and privately a few

879
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:55,559
different times haven't we

880
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:57,419
um and and Echo some of the the thoughts

881
00:32:01,970 --> 00:31:59,880
of Nathan there on the aspect of the

882
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:01,980
question from well-behaved dogs on the

883
00:32:05,930 --> 00:32:04,559
uploaded videos of orbs you've got far

884
00:32:09,289 --> 00:32:05,940
more of a deep interest and

885
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:09,299
understanding of light phenomena and you

886
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,720
know ball lightning orb type objects

887
00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:14,159
than I do

888
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:16,020
what are your thoughts saying on the

889
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:18,120
bledso story and I'll just be really

890
00:32:21,649 --> 00:32:19,620
honest and I'll say that to Chris that

891
00:32:23,870 --> 00:32:21,659
some of the videos that I see uploaded

892
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:23,880
not to take away from what he may be

893
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:26,220
experiencing like Nathan says don't look

894
00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:29,760
anything dissimilar to satellites to me

895
00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:31,140
and I think I said something very

896
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:32,580
similar to Ryan when I spoke to Ryan

897
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:34,740
bledso as well that it can be hard with

898
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,260
a camera phone at you know several

899
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:39,600
thousand feet away to to differentiate

900
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:43,730
yeah absolutely it's been really

901
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:45,179
interesting seeing Ryan come into the

902
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:46,860
conversation for that reason because

903
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:49,020
until that point it was kind of a single

904
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:50,520
Source story right and those were thrown

905
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:53,460
into Room 101 by Sean kale so uh yeah

906
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:55,740
it's it's nice kind of getting that

907
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:57,960
the the family expanding on it and on

908
00:33:01,250 --> 00:32:59,820
Ryan's podcast he's had on like his

909
00:33:02,750 --> 00:33:01,260
sister the other brother and they've all

910
00:33:04,730 --> 00:33:02,760
talked about these anomalous experiences

911
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:04,740
throughout their lives so it's very

912
00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:07,500
clear that something is happening what

913
00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:09,480
that something is is What's Up For

914
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:11,220
Debate there's clearly a lot of IC

915
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:12,600
involvement you know we have people like

916
00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:13,919
Tim Taylor

917
00:33:18,110 --> 00:33:16,260
um you know go in and interacting with

918
00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:18,120
them um you know Lou Elizondo and Tom

919
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:19,799
Delong where to meet Chris to retrieve

920
00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:21,659
some material from them

921
00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:23,940
um so there's

922
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,620
to use that phrase that a lot of people

923
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:28,320
kind of hate visit there there now what

924
00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:31,919
that there is is is the big question

925
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:34,140
um the whole thing with the lady is

926
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,519
really curious that just makes me think

927
00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:37,200
of all the Marine apparitions that have

928
00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:39,059
happened over all years that the

929
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,860
Catholic church has you know kind of

930
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,240
signed off and

931
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:44,640
authenticated a lot of them and their

932
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,100
experiences just like Chris's where you

933
00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:50,000
have a lady who appears that seems to

934
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,940
communicate a warning to humankind and

935
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,159
you know we'll visit them again and and

936
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:59,039
every time the the lady appears

937
00:34:03,409 --> 00:34:01,080
she seems to ask the person to bring

938
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,419
more and more people to her

939
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:05,279
to kind of communicate this now that's

940
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:07,080
really interesting not

941
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:10,679
just from the lens of UFO but also from

942
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:12,119
the lens of thinking of things like

943
00:34:18,409 --> 00:34:15,780
project bluebeam where supposedly uh

944
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:18,419
technology would be used to show people

945
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:20,399
their specific religious figures that

946
00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:22,200
would mean something to them to get them

947
00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:24,899
to act in the world in a certain way

948
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:26,700
um this you know fits the bill not

949
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:28,740
saying that that's what it is but you

950
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:30,060
know I see involvement a little

951
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:32,580
government technology they could be

952
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,500
someone messing with Chris here but

953
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:36,240
there's clearly an inciting incident

954
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:37,560
that Chris had

955
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:41,520
um that seems to come from that

956
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:43,619
he hit that kind of really low point you

957
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:45,060
know with his Crohn's disease he thought

958
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,159
that was it and then then this lady

959
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:48,960
appeared to him and he had this UFO

960
00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:50,700
encounter which kind of runs through a

961
00:34:54,649 --> 00:34:53,099
lot of different experiences

962
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:54,659
um the cover is really interesting to me

963
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:57,900
uh it's Salvatore Monday uh which is a a

964
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,420
lost Da Vinci painting supposedly and

965
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:02,400
the interesting thing about that cover

966
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,880
and that painting is that painting has

967
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,680
never been authenticated as a real Da

968
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,839
Vinci it's a bunch of different people

969
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:12,000
feeding into each other's myths and

970
00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:13,440
pulling the wall over each other's eyes

971
00:35:19,970 --> 00:35:17,640
and I wonder if that cover is kind of a

972
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:19,980
a little clue as to what's going on not

973
00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:21,480
necessarily that Chris would know about

974
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:22,859
it you know if someone is kind of

975
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,660
playing with him in that way but I'd be

976
00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:26,160
curious to talk to him about that and to

977
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:31,990
think of like the the phrase

978
00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:35,040
phenomenology where we all kind of

979
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:36,839
depending on that upbringings depending

980
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:38,040
on where we live depending on the

981
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:39,359
friends we have and the people around us

982
00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:41,160
we all see the world through a different

983
00:35:46,130 --> 00:35:43,500
lens and it's very clear that that

984
00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:46,140
Chris's lens is a religious lens and

985
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,880
that's what's important to him and so

986
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:50,160
that kind of gets this experience is

987
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:52,200
defined in that way uh and not

988
00:35:55,130 --> 00:35:53,880
everyone's kind of into into that angle

989
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,140
you know there's that famous quote from

990
00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:57,359
Star Wars where a Star Trek even with

991
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:00,119
Chapman says to a being that purports to

992
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:01,680
be God what does God need with the

993
00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:04,320
spaceship uh which is you know bang on

994
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,839
God wouldn't need a spaceship so it

995
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:08,640
makes you wonder the second the

996
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:10,260
cognitive manipulation comes into the

997
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:11,460
picture which supposedly these things

998
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:12,599
can do

999
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:14,160
or better off

1000
00:36:17,210 --> 00:36:15,960
you can present as you want to present

1001
00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:17,220
you can make people see what you want

1002
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:18,599
them to see think what they want to

1003
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:21,300
think and and so it's important like

1004
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:23,220
Nathan said to to have these experiences

1005
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,740
shared so we can all kind of go you know

1006
00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:27,420
what none of us understand this none of

1007
00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:29,820
us know what this is the more data we

1008
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,320
have and the better and we can start

1009
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:32,880
painting a picture even if it's a

1010
00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:34,920
picture of being manipulated by

1011
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:37,320
something what I love about Chris's

1012
00:36:41,089 --> 00:36:39,000
story is the human element

1013
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:41,099
and how much has changed him because

1014
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,900
that's something that we we probably

1015
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:44,640
will hear more about going forward but

1016
00:36:48,050 --> 00:36:45,960
films like witness of another world

1017
00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:48,060
really lean into that

1018
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:51,000
um and it changes people's lives and not

1019
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,380
always for better either you know people

1020
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:55,440
don't ask for this stuff and yet here it

1021
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,480
is upending their life and making them

1022
00:37:01,370 --> 00:36:59,760
lose friends and loved ones and you know

1023
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:01,380
just being alone and it's it's really

1024
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:03,900
strange that that happens in terms of

1025
00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:06,060
the light phenomena uh over the years

1026
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,460
I've been saving so much from Ryan and

1027
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:10,800
Chris that they've posted and I'd agree

1028
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:12,660
like a lot of them you know some they

1029
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:14,160
they look like just satellites coming

1030
00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:15,540
over the horizon and things like that

1031
00:37:20,329 --> 00:37:18,300
but then the Curious part of it is that

1032
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:20,339
in some close-ups

1033
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:22,500
for example there's one picture I have

1034
00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:23,460
that

1035
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:26,760
Ryan said oh this was a a dog a spirit

1036
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,380
of a dog that's kind of coming back and

1037
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:31,440
these orbs are actually uh kind of kind

1038
00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:33,720
of like craft that the the souls can be

1039
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,060
in um

1040
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,160
and in the orb you can actually see a

1041
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:40,560
dog face and I'm not saying you know it

1042
00:37:44,089 --> 00:37:42,300
might be paradolia uh you know people

1043
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:44,099
just seeing what is suggested is there

1044
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:46,140
like the the Bluegrass blue dress and

1045
00:37:49,550 --> 00:37:47,520
you know the the monkey with a

1046
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:49,560
basketball kind of thing yeah

1047
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:54,060
um but it's it's a question mark right

1048
00:37:58,190 --> 00:37:55,680
like none of us can tell Chris that he's

1049
00:38:00,650 --> 00:37:58,200
making this up none of us can tell Chris

1050
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,660
exactly what this is it's another data

1051
00:38:04,849 --> 00:38:02,160
point and it's really important to just

1052
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:04,859
hold it lightly and take it seriously

1053
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:06,599
well no one knows better about The Human

1054
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:08,700
Experience of the UFO topic than Ryan

1055
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,500
you wrote a whole book on it didn't you

1056
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,240
and your presentation on it I've seen a

1057
00:38:18,349 --> 00:38:13,920
few times as well

1058
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:18,359
the the experience is is well known

1059
00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:21,240
I think for me like I say I and I was

1060
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:22,740
very honest with Dan and I've said on

1061
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:24,300
the podcast before a lot of the orb

1062
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,920
stuff I struggled to get on board with

1063
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:27,599
because so much of it does just look

1064
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:28,440
like

1065
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,940
Nathan said though I'm very happy to

1066
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:34,800
take people's testimony at face value

1067
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,420
which I think is fair but the amount of

1068
00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:41,760
interaction with intelligence Community

1069
00:38:46,609 --> 00:38:44,820
officials you know and others is very

1070
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:46,619
very intriguing this isn't just someone

1071
00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:48,119
taking pictures of lights in the sky

1072
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,800
posting them online and saying I'm

1073
00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:51,599
having an experience

1074
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,540
I started more than something of

1075
00:38:58,430 --> 00:38:56,880
interest to this than you what what are

1076
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,440
your thoughts on the whole Bledsoe story

1077
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:00,960
yeah I mean

1078
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,960
I I have sort of a Funny Story connected

1079
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,760
with Chris uh

1080
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,400
for years you know even before I'd

1081
00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:11,280
written my book uh my original the first

1082
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:15,000
edition of my book came out in 2016.

1083
00:39:19,849 --> 00:39:17,400
um I'd been speaking to a mufon field

1084
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:19,859
investigator almost two years prior to

1085
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,200
that about covering a case they'd

1086
00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:24,720
investigated and it was very dramatic

1087
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:27,720
and it was um life-altering for the the

1088
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:30,660
witness involved and I went on to

1089
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:34,079
publish this story in my book uh with

1090
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,180
the witness remaining anonymous because

1091
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:37,920
they did not want to be known they

1092
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,380
didn't want their name out there uh and

1093
00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:42,480
then you know as the years went on I

1094
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:44,280
started presenting that story in

1095
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:46,680
lectures that I gave and people started

1096
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,320
coming up to me and saying I think I

1097
00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:51,359
know who that witness is I I think I

1098
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:53,160
might know who you're talking about

1099
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:54,720
um and it took me almost four and a half

1100
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:56,760
years for someone to finally come up and

1101
00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:00,000
say that's Chris Bledsoe and I I had no

1102
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,920
idea all this time that the anonymous

1103
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:03,839
witness I'd been speaking about was

1104
00:40:10,010 --> 00:40:07,140
actually Chris Bledsoe and um that kind

1105
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:10,020
of to me speaks volumes that when he

1106
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:12,359
originally started talking about this uh

1107
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:14,460
he did not want to be known he didn't

1108
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:16,920
want notoriety and that always that

1109
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:18,359
screams to me

1110
00:40:22,190 --> 00:40:20,160
um that this person just wants to get

1111
00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:22,200
this off their chest they're they're not

1112
00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:24,839
out to be in every documentary or write

1113
00:40:30,530 --> 00:40:28,740
a million books um finally Chris has put

1114
00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:30,540
down everything he possibly could into

1115
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:33,180
one cohesive book and I use the term

1116
00:40:39,530 --> 00:40:36,780
cohesive obviously very Loosely as I'm

1117
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:39,540
sure all these experiences are very

1118
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,400
non-cohesive for Chris

1119
00:40:45,710 --> 00:40:43,920
um so yeah that's kind of my my weird

1120
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:45,720
connection to this whole story is I've

1121
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:47,220
been talking about it for years not even

1122
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,260
knowing it was Chris Bledsoe because I

1123
00:40:53,810 --> 00:40:51,839
hadn't heard his story before

1124
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:53,820
um now that this book came out and I've

1125
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,619
started reading it it embodies

1126
00:40:59,630 --> 00:40:58,079
everything I stand for in ufology this

1127
00:41:02,450 --> 00:40:59,640
is my ufology

1128
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:02,460
Chris has been dramatically affected by

1129
00:41:06,829 --> 00:41:05,640
these events no matter what they are and

1130
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,839
um what Nathan said in terms of

1131
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:09,359
interpretation that's what fascinates me

1132
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,460
most about all of this is how each

1133
00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:13,920
individual interprets these experiences

1134
00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:16,200
and integrates them into their lives

1135
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:18,180
moving forward I've had so many people

1136
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:21,000
come to me and become spiritual or

1137
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:23,460
religious after an experience or vice

1138
00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:25,680
versa you know it kind of shatters their

1139
00:41:29,329 --> 00:41:27,540
their framework of everything they once

1140
00:41:31,609 --> 00:41:29,339
believed and now they have to pick the

1141
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:31,619
pieces up in a whole new light and I

1142
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,200
think Chris has struggled for so many

1143
00:41:40,849 --> 00:41:36,720
years with all these various phenomena

1144
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:40,859
happening to him and then you mix in CIA

1145
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:43,380
you mix in the military and it's just

1146
00:41:49,010 --> 00:41:44,280
like

1147
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:49,020
it again I I feel for him I honestly do

1148
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:50,640
um I have my own thoughts and opinions

1149
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,260
on what some of these orbs and stuff

1150
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:54,480
might be however that doesn't take away

1151
00:41:59,690 --> 00:41:57,240
from the other various experiences he's

1152
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,700
had especially that initial one that

1153
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:02,400
kind of put all of this into motion so

1154
00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:05,400
for me um it really comes down to how

1155
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:08,040
did this change Chris bloodson's life

1156
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:10,500
um for better and worse and as I'm

1157
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:12,540
reading the book it's just it's

1158
00:42:17,870 --> 00:42:15,060
astounding the the journey this guy has

1159
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:17,880
been on and and it's continuing to be

1160
00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:20,460
written up until today

1161
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:22,500
um it's good to see him now finally

1162
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:25,320
coming out and putting his face out

1163
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:28,560
there and and and kind of just telling

1164
00:42:33,170 --> 00:42:30,780
us what he thinks and feels this all

1165
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,180
could be not like telling us to believe

1166
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,280
it I think that's what's most important

1167
00:42:39,410 --> 00:42:37,680
it's this is what he thinks is going on

1168
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,420
these were the messages that were

1169
00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:41,760
conveyed to him and it's up to us as the

1170
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:43,500
readers if we want to accept that or not

1171
00:42:49,310 --> 00:42:46,440
and um that's what this is all about all

1172
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:49,320
of it I mean it's either you embrace it

1173
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,140
uh you deny it or like many of us you

1174
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:53,520
kind of remain somewhere in between

1175
00:42:58,130 --> 00:42:56,220
there and um that's kind of where I'm at

1176
00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:58,140
right now I think something definitely

1177
00:43:03,050 --> 00:42:59,940
happened to this man

1178
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,060
um clearly for me to publish it in a

1179
00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:04,800
book not knowing it was him

1180
00:43:09,710 --> 00:43:07,560
um I that lends credibility for me

1181
00:43:13,069 --> 00:43:09,720
um especially the investigators that

1182
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:13,079
initially uh looked into his case uh

1183
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:15,660
that screams volumes of credibility as

1184
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:17,640
well so yeah that's my long-winded way

1185
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:19,980
of saying read the book just read it

1186
00:43:25,210 --> 00:43:22,260
like you don't have to believe it but

1187
00:43:28,849 --> 00:43:25,220
like it is worth your time it's a very

1188
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:28,859
very interesting story and um I can't

1189
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,160
wait to keep keep dissecting it so I got

1190
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:34,079
talk I got talking to someone who I

1191
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:35,339
worked with the other day about the

1192
00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:38,280
Bledsoe story and the book and and I

1193
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:40,140
kind of bastardized version of what had

1194
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:43,079
happened to the Chris and the family and

1195
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,000
when I mentioned like you know the book

1196
00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:46,800
coming out the potentially there's going

1197
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:49,020
to be like a TV deal or movie deal in

1198
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:51,660
the works Ryan's podcast they were a

1199
00:43:54,890 --> 00:43:53,339
little bit suspicious unreal that just

1200
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:54,900
sounds you know like money making and

1201
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:58,079
off the back of it and you know but I

1202
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:00,660
made the point of in in modern day and

1203
00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:03,000
I'm not comparing I'm going to say this

1204
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,160
the the second coming of Christ to the

1205
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:06,960
Bledsoe story right but I'm going to get

1206
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:08,940
to why I'm saying that

1207
00:44:13,609 --> 00:44:11,520
and a modern setting that is the best

1208
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:13,619
way to get the any kind of word or

1209
00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:14,940
message out there is through different

1210
00:44:19,309 --> 00:44:17,700
forms of media you know podcasts books

1211
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:19,319
movies TV

1212
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,240
and it made me think and I ended up

1213
00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:22,800
bringing up is it if you've ever seen or

1214
00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:25,319
heard of the series the second coming it

1215
00:44:28,690 --> 00:44:27,480
was a TV series in the late 90s Dan I'm

1216
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:28,700
sure I've spoke to you about it before

1217
00:44:34,329 --> 00:44:32,160
Christopher Eccleston the doctor who was

1218
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:34,339
in it and it was basically about what if

1219
00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:38,460
Jesus came back in modern times in the

1220
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:40,680
body of this there is something year old

1221
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:43,319
normal guy literally nothing special

1222
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:45,000
about him at all

1223
00:44:49,609 --> 00:44:47,760
um he and just very quickly synopsis he

1224
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,619
wakes up in like I'm running across a

1225
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:51,839
field not knowing where he's been and

1226
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:53,220
basically tells his friends and family

1227
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:55,560
I've I've been away for a few days I'm

1228
00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:59,280
I'm Jesus re-embodied he then puts a a

1229
00:45:03,230 --> 00:45:01,140
note out in a newspaper I think it is

1230
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:03,240
bear in mind this was the late 90s it

1231
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:04,740
basically says to people will gather at

1232
00:45:08,270 --> 00:45:06,420
this place and I'm going to perform some

1233
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:08,280
kind of Miracle I've just got a feeling

1234
00:45:12,349 --> 00:45:10,740
but I don't know what it is he ends up

1235
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,359
going to like a football stadium I'm

1236
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:14,400
pretty sure it's Sunderland I'm not I'm

1237
00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:15,599
not entirely sure but I think it's

1238
00:45:20,329 --> 00:45:18,180
Sunderland something like that and

1239
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:20,339
a massive beam of light hits the the

1240
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:23,400
pitch and it's then how does the newest

1241
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:25,260
media break this down and it's you know

1242
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:27,540
some say this is genuine some say it's a

1243
00:45:31,790 --> 00:45:29,940
medical some say it's some kind of light

1244
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:31,800
illusion you know some say it's just a

1245
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:33,000
trick

1246
00:45:36,109 --> 00:45:34,800
um and then it ends up as a really

1247
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,119
powerful kind of two or three-part

1248
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,400
series about it turns out no he actually

1249
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,520
is the second coming of Christ and it's

1250
00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:43,560
how the world deals with it so if anyone

1251
00:45:46,730 --> 00:45:45,300
wants to go and find it you can get it

1252
00:45:49,309 --> 00:45:46,740
online in different places it's called

1253
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,319
the second coming but yeah it just made

1254
00:45:53,809 --> 00:45:51,359
me think of well what if that did happen

1255
00:45:55,849 --> 00:45:53,819
these days how would a spiritual entity

1256
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:55,859
reach out and get a message out to the

1257
00:46:00,890 --> 00:45:58,800
world because Going Back 2 000 years

1258
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:00,900
there were no books no TV series no

1259
00:46:06,349 --> 00:46:03,359
podcast no social media you know no news

1260
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:06,359
channels no newspapers so wouldn't that

1261
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:07,980
be the best way to get those types of

1262
00:46:13,370 --> 00:46:10,440
messages out there even to go on to the

1263
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:13,380
aerial School documentary for example I

1264
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,780
asked Randall Nickerson do you think the

1265
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:18,000
event happened then for him to make the

1266
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:20,460
dog documentary now to get the word out

1267
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,260
and maybe the fact that it's been 30 or

1268
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:24,240
40 years since some of these events

1269
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:26,220
doesn't actually matter and it's just

1270
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:27,839
now the technology is there that we can

1271
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:29,880
get the word out so

1272
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,680
I end up having that kind of chat and

1273
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:33,599
the person wasn't massively into UFOs so

1274
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:35,400
they were about like oh no I'm not sure

1275
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:38,040
but I was almost convincing myself that

1276
00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:41,460
I can see how in a modern setting a lot

1277
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,839
of this stuff can be really difficult

1278
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:45,119
for folks to take and I think that goes

1279
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:46,859
back to the classic UFO conversation

1280
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:49,020
doesn't it of yeah what if it's not

1281
00:46:52,430 --> 00:46:50,700
Little Green Men coming from another

1282
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:52,440
planet and you start to go into

1283
00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:54,660
different realities Dimensions physics

1284
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:56,040
and all that kind of good stuff that

1285
00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:58,619
we're like talking about and it just the

1286
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,060
average person who doesn't have an

1287
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:02,400
interest in a UFO topic just Taps out

1288
00:47:07,849 --> 00:47:04,920
they're like that no not for me no more

1289
00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:07,859
and that's that's me gone so yeah so

1290
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:09,060
that that's what I kind of thought but

1291
00:47:12,170 --> 00:47:10,920
yeah the second coming well worth a

1292
00:47:13,970 --> 00:47:12,180
little look if anyone can find that

1293
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:13,980
online then I don't know if you're off

1294
00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:15,359
the top of your head do you where people

1295
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:18,300
can get it but I I think it was BBC if

1296
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:20,040
you I I just searched on Google and it's

1297
00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:22,440
in a few places uh it's two episodes so

1298
00:47:27,609 --> 00:47:24,300
yeah I highly recommend people sit down

1299
00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:27,619
and watch I think I think it was ITV

1300
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:29,220
yeah

1301
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,260
watching if you can get it it's probably

1302
00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:36,240
on YouTube because it's that old now

1303
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:37,079
anyway

1304
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:38,940
um but we're worth a watch folks listen

1305
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,339
let's crack on with a question or from

1306
00:47:45,170 --> 00:47:43,680
one of the patrons uh gnosis uh

1307
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:45,180
long-term listener to the podcast I'll

1308
00:47:48,170 --> 00:47:46,740
Now read the context to this as well

1309
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:48,180
because he always puts a lot of context

1310
00:47:52,910 --> 00:47:50,220
he wants us to talk about the elephant

1311
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:52,920
in the room Arrow so this was the

1312
00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:54,300
department the whole Community was

1313
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:55,980
banking on to get the kind of public

1314
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,140
facing investigation we had been craving

1315
00:48:01,970 --> 00:48:00,480
Arrow was our big victory the drill in

1316
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:01,980
the crown the Elizondo Merlin and Co

1317
00:48:05,809 --> 00:48:04,020
were working towards but what we now

1318
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:05,819
know is it not only has the department

1319
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:07,859
been understaffed with just three people

1320
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,260
but come crunch time in multiple UAP

1321
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:12,720
incidents take place officially in U.S

1322
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:14,940
airspace there's radio Silence from this

1323
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:16,680
department and the White House act as if

1324
00:48:20,450 --> 00:48:18,839
it doesn't exist we see a congressional

1325
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:20,460
call for additional funding for Arrow

1326
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:22,200
but after the disappointment and delays

1327
00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:24,359
with the last report it feels arrows yet

1328
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:26,579
again a token gesture with no clout my

1329
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:28,380
feeling is that disclosure is coming but

1330
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:29,880
it won't be coming via arrow and that

1331
00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:31,380
this department is simply a focus point

1332
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,660
for Congress to keep this topic alive in

1333
00:48:37,690 --> 00:48:35,760
the halls of power then I'll let you

1334
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,700
kick off for that one

1335
00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:40,319
uh so I'm gonna ask you to repeat the

1336
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:41,640
question again because I was looking for

1337
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,140
the second coming to give you guys the

1338
00:48:48,349 --> 00:48:45,839
link you are you are typing away Ryan

1339
00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:48,359
listen go be Ryan first Dan I'll put the

1340
00:48:51,650 --> 00:48:49,800
question in there because it's that it

1341
00:48:54,109 --> 00:48:51,660
was a body okay and you can read that

1342
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:54,119
one and we'll go to Ryan first okay yeah

1343
00:48:59,690 --> 00:48:55,560
sure um

1344
00:49:01,490 --> 00:48:59,700
it's interesting I know once Biden made

1345
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:01,500
that announcement about this interagency

1346
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:04,200
opening up uh I think it was The War

1347
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,119
Zone the following day came out with

1348
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:09,119
their their story Broken Arrow like

1349
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:11,940
where is Arrow in all of this and uh

1350
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:15,359
it's frustrating that to learn that this

1351
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:17,579
group that a lot of these individuals

1352
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:19,260
behind the scenes have been kind of

1353
00:49:24,650 --> 00:49:23,040
working to uh to get to get funded to

1354
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:24,660
get established

1355
00:49:28,849 --> 00:49:27,599
um is there was announced and then we're

1356
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,859
not going to be used for the very

1357
00:49:32,809 --> 00:49:31,440
purpose in which all these events

1358
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:32,819
unfolded

1359
00:49:38,329 --> 00:49:35,940
um I know that uh I believe it was Sean

1360
00:49:40,370 --> 00:49:38,339
Kirkpatrick was present at the

1361
00:49:43,250 --> 00:49:40,380
classified briefings on these three

1362
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,260
objects shut down so it's clear that

1363
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:46,079
arrow is involved it's not that they

1364
00:49:52,329 --> 00:49:49,980
just aren't a part of it but it is as

1365
00:49:55,069 --> 00:49:52,339
you know you mentioned just a few people

1366
00:49:57,290 --> 00:49:55,079
they're still looking for additional

1367
00:50:00,109 --> 00:49:57,300
funding as we've seen through Senator

1368
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:00,119
gillibrand and Rubio and this call to

1369
00:50:05,390 --> 00:50:02,400
get more funding for this thing

1370
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:05,400
um and I also heard too from

1371
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,020
um you know various people who spoke to

1372
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:09,839
arrow that yeah they're working on a

1373
00:50:14,809 --> 00:50:12,060
shoestring budget it took them almost

1374
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:14,819
like four months to get back to me

1375
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:16,920
um about they invited me to come speak

1376
00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:18,660
with them and it took them almost four

1377
00:50:22,550 --> 00:50:20,760
months to finally get back to me

1378
00:50:25,309 --> 00:50:22,560
um that's how uh

1379
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,319
kind of limited their resources are

1380
00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:27,839
right now so yeah I think what we're

1381
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:29,400
seeing right now is the group is

1382
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:31,740
established it's there

1383
00:50:37,490 --> 00:50:34,560
um but it's baby steps and you know what

1384
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:37,500
kind what better way than to uh kind of

1385
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:39,900
what's the the term kind of just Dive

1386
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:42,300
Right In I guess here's three

1387
00:50:46,010 --> 00:50:44,339
unidentified objects that we shot down

1388
00:50:47,809 --> 00:50:46,020
okay Arrow

1389
00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:47,819
um we're we're gonna see what you can do

1390
00:50:51,950 --> 00:50:49,319
with this so I think what we're seeing

1391
00:50:53,569 --> 00:50:51,960
is Arrow is involved in everything going

1392
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,579
on right now

1393
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:55,920
um but it's not just then you know

1394
00:51:00,589 --> 00:50:58,380
they're they're getting people from the

1395
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:00,599
different various agencies and and

1396
00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:03,599
whatnot involved too so yeah I I think

1397
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:05,400
right now it's kind of

1398
00:51:09,470 --> 00:51:06,240
um

1399
00:51:11,210 --> 00:51:09,480
we're still yet to see what arrow is

1400
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:11,220
capable of

1401
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:13,800
um and this is just the beginning so um

1402
00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:16,020
yeah I look forward to whatever comes

1403
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:18,660
out in their next report on what

1404
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,700
everything going on right now that's

1405
00:51:24,589 --> 00:51:22,440
what I'm really looking forward to you

1406
00:51:26,990 --> 00:51:24,599
know that when the next report comes out

1407
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:27,000
will we finally find out what those

1408
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:29,579
three unidentified objects were or will

1409
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,140
they once again say balloon-like

1410
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,079
entities I don't know but yeah yeah I

1411
00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:36,720
I'm not giving up on Arrow just yet I I

1412
00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:39,420
have hope that um the reason they're

1413
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:43,020
there uh will be put to good use and um

1414
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:44,280
yeah I look forward to whatever happens

1415
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,500
next with it yeah I can feel that

1416
00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:48,720
disappointment from notice I think it

1417
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,700
reminds me of when uh like a massive

1418
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,040
football team in the UK have a

1419
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:55,200
billionaire owner or company behind them

1420
00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:57,540
and they say they want a fan group to

1421
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,859
come on the board and have a

1422
00:52:02,089 --> 00:52:00,960
representative to to sit amongst all

1423
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:02,099
these multi-millionaires and

1424
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,599
billionaires to help make decisions for

1425
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:05,280
the good of the football club that

1426
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,500
person has no real are and they've got

1427
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:09,599
that token representative seat to make

1428
00:52:13,490 --> 00:52:11,700
it feel that the fans are Justified and

1429
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:13,500
they're represented and I hope it

1430
00:52:17,809 --> 00:52:15,720
doesn't become like narcissus sorta said

1431
00:52:19,309 --> 00:52:17,819
it's just something for Congress to

1432
00:52:20,809 --> 00:52:19,319
think that they're they're keeping the

1433
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,819
foot in the door and not letting the

1434
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:22,559
door fully close over

1435
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:24,000
um so yeah I'm still on the fence with

1436
00:52:28,849 --> 00:52:25,859
us as to what we can see Ado actually

1437
00:52:31,069 --> 00:52:28,859
produces and I think I was very fair

1438
00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:31,079
with Dan in the last breakdown when the

1439
00:52:35,690 --> 00:52:32,940
reporter came out that

1440
00:52:37,309 --> 00:52:35,700
the next report from Arrow is a big one

1441
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,319
in terms of are there going to be any

1442
00:52:42,109 --> 00:52:39,839
use whatsoever to the general public

1443
00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:42,119
going forward or not to say they won't

1444
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:44,339
have their uses in the background but if

1445
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:46,740
it's another nothing Burger as people

1446
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:48,180
like to call them

1447
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:48,960
um

1448
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,940
I think for many that'll be the kind of

1449
00:52:54,770 --> 00:52:52,800
arrows can I serve its purpose and it'll

1450
00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:54,780
be turning a blind eye to it from from

1451
00:52:59,089 --> 00:52:56,760
then on in Dan if you had time to read

1452
00:53:00,410 --> 00:52:59,099
the body of the question I have I have

1453
00:53:01,849 --> 00:53:00,420
thank you for giving me that time I

1454
00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:01,859
appreciate it

1455
00:53:05,329 --> 00:53:04,020
yeah I nothing bigger is an interesting

1456
00:53:07,130 --> 00:53:05,339
phrase because plenty of people just eat

1457
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,140
salad Burgers right

1458
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:09,839
um we have to remember that the arrow

1459
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:12,720
was a repurposing of uaptf that was

1460
00:53:16,849 --> 00:53:15,000
where it started we're not looking at

1461
00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:16,859
like gnosis called it the Crown Jewel

1462
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,380
this isn't what it is this is

1463
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:21,839
essentially uh an organization that came

1464
00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:25,020
from an arm wrestle between senators and

1465
00:53:29,690 --> 00:53:26,940
the dod

1466
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:29,700
the uaptf was announced to kind of Stave

1467
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,319
off that congressional oversight that

1468
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,079
people like gillibrand were calling for

1469
00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:37,200
um and arrow was kind of it was

1470
00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:38,760
announced before the new legislation

1471
00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:40,680
came in so even when we're looking at

1472
00:53:44,569 --> 00:53:42,660
the report that came out this year that

1473
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:44,579
was written by Arrow it was fulfilling

1474
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:48,180
the Mandate from last year's ndaa

1475
00:53:51,049 --> 00:53:49,319
um and for that reason I'm looking

1476
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:51,059
forward to the next one and I I know

1477
00:53:54,770 --> 00:53:52,800
people in the UFO Community always say

1478
00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:54,780
oh the next one's going to be the one

1479
00:53:58,730 --> 00:53:56,040
um but but I think you're absolutely

1480
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,740
right in terms of uh saying that's where

1481
00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:00,240
we're really going to see the worth of

1482
00:54:05,630 --> 00:54:02,760
it and to see whether Sean Kirkpatrick

1483
00:54:07,730 --> 00:54:05,640
is is really wanting to do a great job

1484
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:07,740
of of looking at UAP and helping Define

1485
00:54:12,770 --> 00:54:09,780
it and figure it out or whether it's

1486
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:12,780
just wheel spinning from the dod uh for

1487
00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:15,000
for me it's it's a start it's not the

1488
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,920
whole thing it did start from a gesture

1489
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,900
from the dod the arm wrestle is very

1490
00:54:23,630 --> 00:54:21,599
present oh and you can kind of see these

1491
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:23,640
internal factions kind of trying to

1492
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:25,440
LeapFrog each other to control this

1493
00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:27,839
story you know the air source is very

1494
00:54:31,849 --> 00:54:29,640
quiet the Navy is kind of running

1495
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:31,859
forward with this and now we've got the

1496
00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:33,480
administration running forward with this

1497
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:35,339
because Biden's taken it upon himself to

1498
00:54:40,430 --> 00:54:37,020
announce the answer agency task force

1499
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,440
off the bat of these balloons

1500
00:54:44,750 --> 00:54:42,480
it's really interesting I I think the

1501
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:44,760
interagency solution would be better

1502
00:54:49,849 --> 00:54:47,940
just because it allows them to to pull

1503
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:49,859
all the resources properly and do it in

1504
00:54:54,829 --> 00:54:52,260
a way that isn't colored by the

1505
00:54:57,049 --> 00:54:54,839
oversight of people like Susan Goff and

1506
00:54:58,670 --> 00:54:57,059
her superiors that you know we don't

1507
00:55:00,770 --> 00:54:58,680
know the names of

1508
00:55:02,990 --> 00:55:00,780
um

1509
00:55:05,089 --> 00:55:03,000
the sooner that effort gets started the

1510
00:55:07,130 --> 00:55:05,099
better for me that that is the Crown

1511
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,140
Jewel that's what we want this would be

1512
00:55:11,329 --> 00:55:09,119
a worldwide conversation this week we've

1513
00:55:13,309 --> 00:55:11,339
heard the Canada is looking into it uh

1514
00:55:15,290 --> 00:55:13,319
the UK is still really quiet I expect

1515
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:15,300
maybe in the next year they'll say oh

1516
00:55:19,309 --> 00:55:16,680
yeah maybe we will pay a little bit of

1517
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:19,319
attention here uh but yeah it's clear

1518
00:55:24,170 --> 00:55:22,559
that Arrow isn't fit for purpose

1519
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:24,180
um but

1520
00:55:27,950 --> 00:55:26,099
good faith argument you know we'll see

1521
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,960
we'll see how it goes forward and give

1522
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,520
them a chance to see if they can write

1523
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:30,960
that ship

1524
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:34,200
and Nathan on Arrow

1525
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:36,960
performance review it's the aerofant in

1526
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,980
the room

1527
00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:39,839
um yeah so I've been waiting on that one

1528
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:42,180
I should appreciate that Eddie um so

1529
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,319
yeah uh I think you can imagine it was a

1530
00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:48,480
political uh a little bit of a political

1531
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:50,760
gamesmanship happening there when this

1532
00:55:55,849 --> 00:55:53,520
whole balloon debacle took place and the

1533
00:55:59,210 --> 00:55:55,859
executive uh you know sort of making the

1534
00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:59,220
decision to implement an executive uh

1535
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:01,380
group working group to tasking an

1536
00:56:05,569 --> 00:56:03,540
official group to deal with this

1537
00:56:07,609 --> 00:56:05,579
um it looks better for the executive to

1538
00:56:09,470 --> 00:56:07,619
have that initiative and have the you

1539
00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:09,480
know kind of we're taking action we're

1540
00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:11,220
doing something and you saw this in the

1541
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:13,079
rhetoric too the the politicians were

1542
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:14,640
saying wait we already had something

1543
00:56:18,349 --> 00:56:16,260
like it why don't we just fund the thing

1544
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:18,359
that we've by on a bipartisan basis

1545
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:20,520
already created and let's just build out

1546
00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:21,900
the framework that we've already had in

1547
00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:24,180
motion from the executive perspective

1548
00:56:27,230 --> 00:56:25,859
it's like well you know we need the

1549
00:56:28,730 --> 00:56:27,240
political points here we need to look

1550
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,740
strong we need to look like we have it

1551
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,960
we have uh our arms around this that

1552
00:56:34,609 --> 00:56:32,640
we're in control and so they're

1553
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:34,619
implementing something that that that

1554
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:36,660
sounds like the I think an executive

1555
00:56:39,770 --> 00:56:38,280
would to do you know like that let's

1556
00:56:41,450 --> 00:56:39,780
look at the classic thing an executive

1557
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:41,460
would do oh you know you've been built

1558
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,660
this awesome thing down in the lower

1559
00:56:46,490 --> 00:56:44,400
Department well I'm gonna steal it it's

1560
00:56:47,870 --> 00:56:46,500
my idea now so we're doing it and the

1561
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,880
whole company's on board and in the

1562
00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:48,960
lower Department people are like we've

1563
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:51,000
been talking about this for years so I

1564
00:56:53,809 --> 00:56:52,500
think that that's a little bit of what

1565
00:56:55,849 --> 00:56:53,819
what's happened here if I could kind of

1566
00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:55,859
use that as a corporate analogy It

1567
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:58,380
ultimately is a win overall I think

1568
00:57:04,430 --> 00:57:00,540
because it is a higher level higher

1569
00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:04,440
profile uh effort here uh I would also

1570
00:57:09,410 --> 00:57:06,180
though I think

1571
00:57:12,290 --> 00:57:09,420
you know ask folks to consider you know

1572
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,300
what is wrapped up in in the entire uh

1573
00:57:17,089 --> 00:57:14,400
exercise of disclosure and this is

1574
00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:17,099
obviously a huge topic we could go down

1575
00:57:20,990 --> 00:57:19,500
into here but uh you know where does it

1576
00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:21,000
come from who should it come from how is

1577
00:57:24,109 --> 00:57:22,619
it going to happen and what what is it

1578
00:57:26,569 --> 00:57:24,119
really about what does it really mean

1579
00:57:29,089 --> 00:57:26,579
and I think uh you know I take very

1580
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:29,099
seriously some of the Insight that I've

1581
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,420
gotten from

1582
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:32,640
uh folks like Frank Milburn who talked

1583
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,040
about this from a a state level uh

1584
00:57:39,770 --> 00:57:37,440
perspective you know if if we're talking

1585
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:39,780
about the kind of technology that is

1586
00:57:45,290 --> 00:57:42,480
literally Paradigm shattering and game

1587
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,300
changing uh our government any state

1588
00:57:50,569 --> 00:57:47,760
government is not going to you know show

1589
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:50,579
all of its cards uh right away it would

1590
00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:53,040
be irresponsible of them to do that so I

1591
00:57:57,410 --> 00:57:54,900
think we have to in some ways temper our

1592
00:57:59,450 --> 00:57:57,420
expectations from the state in terms of

1593
00:58:02,089 --> 00:57:59,460
what they're going to ultimately share

1594
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:02,099
with us I do want the state to take it

1595
00:58:04,970 --> 00:58:03,359
seriously and I think that's exactly

1596
00:58:07,549 --> 00:58:04,980
what we're seeing happen but I would

1597
00:58:09,290 --> 00:58:07,559
caution folks to sort of put all of

1598
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,300
their hope all their eggs in a

1599
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:11,520
government disclosure basket because I

1600
00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:12,960
don't know that that's really going to

1601
00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:15,180
happen and I would also argue that maybe

1602
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,220
that it shouldn't happen that way that

1603
00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:18,960
there's something about disclosure about

1604
00:58:24,829 --> 00:58:21,480
this phenomena generally that is that is

1605
00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:24,839
not something that is going to uh come

1606
00:58:28,849 --> 00:58:26,700
from the top down in a way it has to

1607
00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:28,859
come from the bottom it has to come from

1608
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:32,700
a an individual level and and permeate

1609
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,400
percolate up through the society and you

1610
00:58:39,049 --> 00:58:36,720
know this is interesting because I want

1611
00:58:41,569 --> 00:58:39,059
to make a quick tie-in to Chris Bledsoe

1612
00:58:44,930 --> 00:58:41,579
because in many other experiencers

1613
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,940
who've had encounters it's a deeply

1614
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:47,040
personal experience that they have that

1615
00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:48,720
changes the way they look at the world

1616
00:58:52,670 --> 00:58:50,460
it changes the way they look at their

1617
00:58:56,270 --> 00:58:52,680
family and and their lives

1618
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:56,280
and they feel a sense of change but it

1619
00:59:02,089 --> 00:58:59,520
also causes them it catalyzes them to

1620
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:02,099
want to to want to act in a broader way

1621
00:59:05,089 --> 00:59:03,599
you know one of the very first things

1622
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:05,099
Chris did when he had these encounters

1623
00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:07,140
he started planting a garden in his yard

1624
00:59:09,890 --> 00:59:08,460
he thought he was gonna have to feed his

1625
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,900
neighborhood because he thought

1626
00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:11,520
literally the world was ending he was

1627
00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:12,900
going to have to kind of provide for

1628
00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:15,900
people in his community so you can see

1629
00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:19,260
how that individual change LED to other

1630
00:59:41,089 --> 00:59:39,289
we'll give it a second is your guy or

1631
00:59:42,109 --> 00:59:41,099
Ryan and Dan are still there Nathan's

1632
00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:42,119
gone

1633
00:59:46,010 --> 00:59:44,220
um someone's attacking the feed yeah

1634
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:46,020
Nathan was making too good a pointer

1635
00:59:48,770 --> 00:59:47,640
well we'll give Nathan a few seconds to

1636
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:48,780
come back on Danny if you want to come

1637
00:59:50,930 --> 00:59:50,040
in on that so we can just keep kind of

1638
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:50,940
going

1639
00:59:55,609 --> 00:59:54,000
yeah I so recently uh you know I've said

1640
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:55,619
it a few times I've been watching three

1641
00:59:58,670 --> 00:59:57,000
body problem series you know that

1642
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,680
adaptation was out there and something

1643
01:00:02,450 --> 01:00:00,000
that Nathan said was actually really

1644
01:00:04,609 --> 01:00:02,460
interesting in regards to that so

1645
01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:04,619
something that the species does in that

1646
01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:07,380
show is it sends something to us to mess

1647
01:00:13,789 --> 01:00:11,160
with science and the whole point of them

1648
01:00:16,010 --> 01:00:13,799
doing that is to make people on Earth

1649
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:16,020
question scientists to make them

1650
01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:18,000
question the narratives of people and to

1651
01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:21,180
make people look crazy so that when you

1652
01:00:24,250 --> 01:00:22,380
know they're told stuff about the

1653
01:00:27,650 --> 01:00:24,260
visitors people just don't believe it

1654
01:00:28,910 --> 01:00:27,660
it's essentially you know like I

1655
01:00:31,490 --> 01:00:28,920
mentioned with the cognitive

1656
01:00:34,430 --> 01:00:31,500
manipulation stuff it's information

1657
01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:34,440
Warfare on a whole different level than

1658
01:00:39,770 --> 01:00:36,780
we're used to you nudge a few people

1659
01:00:42,109 --> 01:00:39,780
here and there and and you know you make

1660
01:00:43,609 --> 01:00:42,119
people switch off to certain causes and

1661
01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:43,619
things like that

1662
01:00:47,089 --> 01:00:45,540
um just look at the you know the Israeli

1663
01:00:48,650 --> 01:00:47,099
space chief that spoke a few years ago

1664
01:00:51,710 --> 01:00:48,660
he said some really interesting things

1665
01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:51,720
about like Galactic kind of federations

1666
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,700
and things like that and it seems so out

1667
01:00:57,710 --> 01:00:55,920
there that a lot of people just switched

1668
01:00:59,569 --> 01:00:57,720
off to it what if he was telling the

1669
01:01:01,609 --> 01:00:59,579
truth you know I'm not saying that he

1670
01:01:04,010 --> 01:01:01,619
was what if

1671
01:01:05,390 --> 01:01:04,020
um and it's just too much for us so it

1672
01:01:08,750 --> 01:01:05,400
kind of speaks to the need to do it

1673
01:01:11,390 --> 01:01:08,760
slowly and deliberately but

1674
01:01:13,010 --> 01:01:11,400
it makes me wonder who who could tell

1675
01:01:14,410 --> 01:01:13,020
the truth that people these days would

1676
01:01:16,670 --> 01:01:14,420
trust because it's not the government

1677
01:01:18,170 --> 01:01:16,680
and a lot of people don't believe in

1678
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,180
science we've seen that through through

1679
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:21,599
covid so where would it come from

1680
01:01:26,510 --> 01:01:23,280
I think any of us pick our choose don't

1681
01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:26,520
miss to what's the the Cana what's that

1682
01:01:29,630 --> 01:01:28,140
point with this topic and I find this in

1683
01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:29,640
the Discord chat really interesting with

1684
01:01:33,650 --> 01:01:31,200
some of the guys who'll be like in in

1685
01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:33,660
some of the girls in there where people

1686
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:34,980
will be making a point and really

1687
01:01:39,710 --> 01:01:37,680
interested and then the go-to abductions

1688
01:01:41,690 --> 01:01:39,720
and then really out there experiences

1689
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,700
and people will say nah that's where the

1690
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,440
topic kind of loses me and it's that

1691
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:45,599
breaking point for them of that's too

1692
01:01:49,730 --> 01:01:47,940
much and I think that the the Israeli

1693
01:01:53,329 --> 01:01:49,740
staff but the Galactic Federation and

1694
01:01:56,930 --> 01:01:53,339
it's when it starts to sound to Star

1695
01:02:00,349 --> 01:01:56,940
Trekkie I think I start to go no I

1696
01:02:02,329 --> 01:02:00,359
you've lost me but like you say why not

1697
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:02,339
as someone who's got like a story I see

1698
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:04,079
in a UFO that was a size like a ferris

1699
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:06,240
wheel you know not that far from me in

1700
01:02:08,750 --> 01:02:07,440
the mid 90s

1701
01:02:11,089 --> 01:02:08,760
people would just think I'm making that

1702
01:02:12,589 --> 01:02:11,099
up anyway but I have to think and go

1703
01:02:14,210 --> 01:02:12,599
well that sounds ridiculous because if

1704
01:02:15,950 --> 01:02:14,220
someone told me that story and I had

1705
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:15,960
never seen that myself

1706
01:02:21,170 --> 01:02:19,200
I would think yeah no not for me

1707
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:21,180
so you have to give people that well

1708
01:02:24,589 --> 01:02:22,799
okay if that that's your story as

1709
01:02:26,450 --> 01:02:24,599
incredible as it sounds and I've

1710
01:02:28,250 --> 01:02:26,460
mentioned before you know look the

1711
01:02:30,049 --> 01:02:28,260
folks will set on one of the

1712
01:02:33,049 --> 01:02:30,059
documentaries from last year that had

1713
01:02:35,329 --> 01:02:33,059
like the hybrid babies stuff and I start

1714
01:02:36,650 --> 01:02:35,339
to get a little bit Ah when it comes to

1715
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,660
that and people say they've been

1716
01:02:40,609 --> 01:02:38,640
impregnated and it's been taken away and

1717
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:40,619
there's this hybrid race living on the

1718
01:02:44,030 --> 01:02:42,480
planet as and Nathan's came back on

1719
01:02:47,150 --> 01:02:44,040
right at that point and he's going to be

1720
01:02:49,490 --> 01:02:47,160
like where did this go but just talking

1721
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:49,500
about Nathan those those points in the

1722
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:52,799
UFO topic where it's it's enough for you

1723
01:02:57,770 --> 01:02:55,680
and you you struggle to really

1724
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:57,780
not believe but

1725
01:03:02,329 --> 01:03:00,119
hold credibility in certain aspects of

1726
01:03:03,770 --> 01:03:02,339
it people have different areas where

1727
01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:03,780
they have to go and know for me that

1728
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,400
that's kind of an often and mention the

1729
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:07,200
Galactic Federation stuff before just

1730
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:09,359
but yeah it picked up on a point that

1731
01:03:13,490 --> 01:03:10,799
you made talking about the Sea Body

1732
01:03:14,809 --> 01:03:13,500
problem and one of the species Dan what

1733
01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:14,819
was it just off the back of what Nathan

1734
01:03:18,410 --> 01:03:16,140
had said

1735
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:18,420
yeah so one of the species in it sends

1736
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:19,920
something to us that manipulates science

1737
01:03:24,530 --> 01:03:22,079
and essentially makes Sciences sound

1738
01:03:26,690 --> 01:03:24,540
crazy so that people stop trusting it

1739
01:03:28,430 --> 01:03:26,700
um and then when it comes to scientists

1740
01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:28,440
talking about life out there people just

1741
01:03:31,910 --> 01:03:30,540
don't believe them so so essentially the

1742
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:31,920
point we were getting at is that you

1743
01:03:34,970 --> 01:03:33,119
know people don't trust the government

1744
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,980
people don't trust science as we've seen

1745
01:03:39,049 --> 01:03:36,960
in the last few years so so who is an

1746
01:03:40,430 --> 01:03:39,059
authority for this and Andy rightfully

1747
01:03:42,589 --> 01:03:40,440
said that you know we each kind of have

1748
01:03:44,210 --> 01:03:42,599
a different source of authority but it's

1749
01:03:46,089 --> 01:03:44,220
a really interesting discussion point I

1750
01:03:48,410 --> 01:03:46,099
thought

1751
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:48,420
yeah completely and I apologize for that

1752
01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:50,400
uh because we're having a storm here but

1753
01:03:54,650 --> 01:03:52,559
um you know all of it all of it is crazy

1754
01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:54,660
right I mean that's the thing and I I

1755
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:56,040
think that um

1756
01:03:59,870 --> 01:03:57,839
you know I try to I try to take a

1757
01:04:01,549 --> 01:03:59,880
perspective of looking at history and

1758
01:04:03,650 --> 01:04:01,559
looking at kind of Paradigm shifts that

1759
01:04:05,210 --> 01:04:03,660
happen in history and and what that must

1760
01:04:07,970 --> 01:04:05,220
have been like for those that were on

1761
01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:07,980
the fringes of of understanding the

1762
01:04:13,849 --> 01:04:11,940
world uh people who like Galileo you

1763
01:04:15,289 --> 01:04:13,859
know a great example who had this

1764
01:04:17,450 --> 01:04:15,299
understanding this insight about the

1765
01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:17,460
world that was totally different than

1766
01:04:22,430 --> 01:04:19,380
everything around him the world that he

1767
01:04:26,569 --> 01:04:22,440
grew up in and you know it takes a very

1768
01:04:29,150 --> 01:04:26,579
long time for those insights to permeate

1769
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:29,160
and you know spread around the rest of

1770
01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:32,400
the of society and uh and until they do

1771
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:35,220
you are the crazy person you know you

1772
01:04:39,410 --> 01:04:37,440
are you are out there you are On The

1773
01:04:41,690 --> 01:04:39,420
Fringe which is not to say that every

1774
01:04:43,609 --> 01:04:41,700
person on The Fringe is has some amazing

1775
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:43,619
insight about reality

1776
01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:46,079
um but it does say that that that that's

1777
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:49,260
how it would happen right so that that

1778
01:04:53,210 --> 01:04:51,839
consensus reality isn't just I think

1779
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:53,220
we've gotten accustomed to this right

1780
01:04:57,230 --> 01:04:55,200
that that the way in which we know

1781
01:04:59,870 --> 01:04:57,240
things is just going to to incrementally

1782
01:05:01,549 --> 01:04:59,880
grow because science has the scientific

1783
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:01,559
method has taught us that's how

1784
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,119
knowledge grows it's just this

1785
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:05,760
incremental expansion of information and

1786
01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:07,920
it's very predictable it's very safe and

1787
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,020
comfortable and and that's just how it

1788
01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:12,480
works and we're all we're all nodding

1789
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:13,980
along because that's how we've lived

1790
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:15,660
we've lived that experience I've lived

1791
01:05:19,789 --> 01:05:17,760
that experience that's how it works but

1792
01:05:22,190 --> 01:05:19,799
the truth is like if you think about how

1793
01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:22,200
big the universe is like it's it's the

1794
01:05:25,069 --> 01:05:23,700
amount of hubris that you would have to

1795
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:25,079
have to say like well yeah I guess we've

1796
01:05:30,170 --> 01:05:28,079
kind of cracked it now so our awareness

1797
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,180
going forward is always going to be this

1798
01:05:33,410 --> 01:05:32,400
neat clean and incremental progress and

1799
01:05:35,030 --> 01:05:33,420
we're never going to be brought

1800
01:05:37,490 --> 01:05:35,040
blindsided we're never going to be

1801
01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:37,500
surprised that we may have it all wrong

1802
01:05:42,289 --> 01:05:39,660
and I think that's what the phenomenon

1803
01:05:46,370 --> 01:05:42,299
is really saying quite frankly is that

1804
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:46,380
what we started again as reality I think

1805
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,240
the leafest point they are and we'll get

1806
01:05:52,490 --> 01:05:50,400
back in I'm going to move on because I

1807
01:05:55,130 --> 01:05:52,500
think some of the stuff we were talking

1808
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:55,140
about then in terms of Nathan we just

1809
01:05:59,450 --> 01:05:58,079
lost you but at the point you'd made it

1810
01:06:01,670 --> 01:05:59,460
sounded kind of nice to round off there

1811
01:06:04,970 --> 01:06:01,680
I'll move on uh just when you'd cut off

1812
01:06:07,609 --> 01:06:04,980
and uh come in with Ryan uh Peter wanted

1813
01:06:09,410 --> 01:06:07,619
to know about Gary Nolan's comments he'd

1814
01:06:11,210 --> 01:06:09,420
made recently on a podcast I believe it

1815
01:06:15,170 --> 01:06:11,220
was UAP studies

1816
01:06:17,210 --> 01:06:15,180
um about bios uh Shadow biosphere

1817
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:17,220
um and he basically said Gary Nolan

1818
01:06:22,190 --> 01:06:19,440
claims he has seen data from a couple of

1819
01:06:25,010 --> 01:06:22,200
groups where they have had extraordinary

1820
01:06:28,190 --> 01:06:25,020
interactions with something apparently

1821
01:06:30,109 --> 01:06:28,200
and some sort of experiment or test they

1822
01:06:32,270 --> 01:06:30,119
managed to once it couldn't repeat but

1823
01:06:34,309 --> 01:06:32,280
they saw once that something basically

1824
01:06:35,809 --> 01:06:34,319
was communicating with them

1825
01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:35,819
um I don't know if any of you saw that

1826
01:06:41,089 --> 01:06:37,799
comment that was the gist of it Gary

1827
01:06:44,029 --> 01:06:41,099
Nolan for me is one of those incredibly

1828
01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:44,039
credible individuals someone I listen

1829
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:46,380
when he speaks and I don't think he just

1830
01:06:49,490 --> 01:06:48,000
throws out statements as you know just

1831
01:06:50,750 --> 01:06:49,500
for the sake of it to give himself a

1832
01:06:51,650 --> 01:06:50,760
laugh I don't think he's that type of

1833
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,660
guy

1834
01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:54,240
um as wonderful a sense of humor he has

1835
01:06:57,470 --> 01:06:56,280
what are your thoughts on that and I

1836
01:06:59,450 --> 01:06:57,480
suppose if you haven't heard those

1837
01:07:02,329 --> 01:06:59,460
comments it'd be a bit of speculation

1838
01:07:05,690 --> 01:07:02,339
but as to the The Who and the what would

1839
01:07:08,750 --> 01:07:07,370
oh you're on mute

1840
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:08,760
LOL

1841
01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:12,480
there we go uh I haven't looked much

1842
01:07:17,770 --> 01:07:14,760
into this concept of the biosphere

1843
01:07:22,670 --> 01:07:17,780
however I think this kind of speaks to

1844
01:07:25,730 --> 01:07:22,680
this larger uh I guess theory that a lot

1845
01:07:27,950 --> 01:07:25,740
of people opposed of uh if the phenomena

1846
01:07:30,170 --> 01:07:27,960
has been there all along right next to

1847
01:07:32,450 --> 01:07:30,180
us we've heard people like Elizondo talk

1848
01:07:37,089 --> 01:07:32,460
about the sir Gary Nolan or

1849
01:07:40,849 --> 01:07:37,099
um Jacques valet even uh this idea of uh

1850
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,859
something being there all along and us

1851
01:07:44,270 --> 01:07:42,720
not really knowing it

1852
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,280
um so I think that's really interesting

1853
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:46,559
that Gary would bring something like

1854
01:07:51,370 --> 01:07:49,440
that up and um and and pose those

1855
01:07:54,829 --> 01:07:51,380
theories and even go as far as to say

1856
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:54,839
experiments have been done to try to uh

1857
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:58,559
unlock that or or find that something

1858
01:08:03,490 --> 01:08:00,720
that's been right next to us all this

1859
01:08:06,529 --> 01:08:03,500
time uh so yeah I think it's really

1860
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:06,539
fascinating I I really want to look more

1861
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:09,839
into it before I make any actual uh uh

1862
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:12,480
thoughts or or formulated opinions on it

1863
01:08:16,849 --> 01:08:14,460
but yeah I I think again it kind of

1864
01:08:18,530 --> 01:08:16,859
speaks to this broader idea that the

1865
01:08:21,709 --> 01:08:18,540
phenomena itself doesn't just always

1866
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:21,719
come from above or even below it could

1867
01:08:27,229 --> 01:08:24,480
be all around us all the time and we're

1868
01:08:29,930 --> 01:08:27,239
just getting these small glimpses every

1869
01:08:32,990 --> 01:08:29,940
now and again and um yeah yeah I find it

1870
01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:33,000
all fascinating but I am in no place to

1871
01:08:37,490 --> 01:08:34,980
comment any further there than that on

1872
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,500
it I think for me and the wasn't much

1873
01:08:40,970 --> 01:08:39,359
more to it Ryan than that that comment

1874
01:08:42,650 --> 01:08:40,980
he wouldn't give any details obviously

1875
01:08:44,329 --> 01:08:42,660
as to who it was and what had happened

1876
01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:44,339
but just that that he saw some

1877
01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:46,920
incredible data then I'll come to you it

1878
01:08:52,849 --> 01:08:49,259
made me think immediately Skinwalker

1879
01:08:54,829 --> 01:08:52,859
Ranch Ned's type situation where have

1880
01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:54,839
and I think I asked Lou and Brandon

1881
01:08:58,910 --> 01:08:56,460
Frugal and stuff about this as well have

1882
01:09:00,829 --> 01:08:58,920
they ever tried to communicate with

1883
01:09:02,570 --> 01:09:00,839
whatever it was and was it successful

1884
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,580
and we've heard from George Knapp and

1885
01:09:06,590 --> 01:09:04,319
others about you know various games and

1886
01:09:08,209 --> 01:09:06,600
stuff being left out and things have

1887
01:09:10,490 --> 01:09:08,219
been kind of played with toyed with

1888
01:09:12,530 --> 01:09:10,500
messed about and but this sounded a bit

1889
01:09:14,349 --> 01:09:12,540
further and more technically advanced

1890
01:09:17,090 --> 01:09:14,359
than that

1891
01:09:18,289 --> 01:09:17,100
yeah it's the shadow biosphere is such

1892
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,299
an interesting conversation because

1893
01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:20,400
we're we're constantly finding these new

1894
01:09:25,729 --> 01:09:22,140
biospheres

1895
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,739
um I think it was like 1850s uh a doctor

1896
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:28,080
I want to say summerwise

1897
01:09:33,650 --> 01:09:30,080
um he he was the guy that came up with

1898
01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:33,660
the basic idea of washing your hands

1899
01:09:37,849 --> 01:09:36,060
before you do surgery before that point

1900
01:09:39,289 --> 01:09:37,859
doctors were losing people left right

1901
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:39,299
and Center because they didn't realize

1902
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,759
the germs existed you know that that was

1903
01:09:45,610 --> 01:09:43,920
a shadow biosphere that we uncovered you

1904
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:45,620
know my my mom when she was growing up

1905
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:48,480
she she used cleaning solutions that

1906
01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:50,880
would leave 80 of what modern day

1907
01:09:54,890 --> 01:09:53,640
cleaning solutions uh would kill on the

1908
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:54,900
table and she didn't care she didn't

1909
01:09:57,410 --> 01:09:55,920
know that it was there she didn't

1910
01:09:59,689 --> 01:09:57,420
interact with it she didn't think about

1911
01:10:01,729 --> 01:09:59,699
it and and now you know she just wants

1912
01:10:03,650 --> 01:10:01,739
to kind of uh what's the like just

1913
01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:03,660
bleach the whole house you know because

1914
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:06,300
of this biosphere that exists that she

1915
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,640
didn't know about 50 years ago and she

1916
01:10:12,410 --> 01:10:10,800
wants to deal with it uh it's really

1917
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:12,420
interesting like life isn't what we

1918
01:10:16,490 --> 01:10:13,800
think we're constantly expanding our

1919
01:10:19,250 --> 01:10:16,500
death and ideas about what exists and

1920
01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:19,260
what can exist scientists now are

1921
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:21,000
talking about you know the Multiverse

1922
01:10:26,030 --> 01:10:24,719
about dimensions and what kind of is at

1923
01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:26,040
the bottom of the universe and and

1924
01:10:29,570 --> 01:10:27,420
there's some ideas that you know it's

1925
01:10:32,030 --> 01:10:29,580
just information based and we're kind of

1926
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:32,040
in a holographic representation of that

1927
01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:34,920
so if life could be in just that

1928
01:10:39,229 --> 01:10:37,080
information what does that look like how

1929
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:39,239
do we talk to that when we make things

1930
01:10:43,550 --> 01:10:41,460
like General AI is that what we're

1931
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:43,560
making can it get away from the computer

1932
01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:46,320
and just live in this basic level of the

1933
01:10:50,830 --> 01:10:48,360
the universe and interact with people

1934
01:10:54,290 --> 01:10:50,840
that that kind of stuff would lead to

1935
01:10:57,649 --> 01:10:54,300
encounters that Peter lavender uh

1936
01:10:59,209 --> 01:10:57,659
kind of hinted at where if there was a

1937
01:11:01,850 --> 01:10:59,219
being like that that came to the planet

1938
01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:01,860
and we all had a simultaneous dream of

1939
01:11:06,050 --> 01:11:04,980
contact uh then then that denotes

1940
01:11:08,030 --> 01:11:06,060
contact you know like what is

1941
01:11:09,169 --> 01:11:08,040
communication these definitions are

1942
01:11:10,669 --> 01:11:09,179
things that we need to kind of start

1943
01:11:13,790 --> 01:11:10,679
thinking about

1944
01:11:15,649 --> 01:11:13,800
um does the Tic Tac you know react into

1945
01:11:18,169 --> 01:11:15,659
David fravor does that constitute

1946
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,179
communication uh I'd say so but some

1947
01:11:23,570 --> 01:11:20,159
people would say no not at all

1948
01:11:24,890 --> 01:11:23,580
we live in a dimension that I think I

1949
01:11:27,050 --> 01:11:24,900
might get this wrong but it's three of

1950
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,060
space one of time you change that

1951
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:29,040
equation in any way

1952
01:11:34,370 --> 01:11:32,460
something else could live there and that

1953
01:11:36,890 --> 01:11:34,380
space could be a space that it can only

1954
01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:36,900
function in so how would we interact

1955
01:11:41,209 --> 01:11:39,060
with that how would they build machines

1956
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,219
that worked on our level and and that

1957
01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:43,440
just takes me to thinking about the idea

1958
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:46,440
of secret machines or or as as if you

1959
01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:48,960
want to expand on that secreted machines

1960
01:11:54,050 --> 01:11:51,900
to to interact at our level or a smaller

1961
01:11:57,169 --> 01:11:54,060
space or a bigger space we would have to

1962
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,179
build machines in that space so maybe a

1963
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,520
wormhole isn't a doorway maybe it's a

1964
01:12:02,930 --> 01:12:01,440
manufacturing point to to create

1965
01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:02,940
something that can operate in our

1966
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:06,060
reality uh this subject I love it

1967
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,980
because it kind of gets so sci-fi and

1968
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,080
you really get to kind of you know just

1969
01:12:13,970 --> 01:12:12,239
wax lyrical on it so I'll leave it there

1970
01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:13,980
but yeah it's really interesting

1971
01:12:17,870 --> 01:12:16,020
considering what communication with

1972
01:12:20,330 --> 01:12:17,880
other beings could look like

1973
01:12:23,390 --> 01:12:20,340
it gets very Ant-Man

1974
01:12:25,130 --> 01:12:23,400
yeah yeah yeah quite a Mania yeah

1975
01:12:26,930 --> 01:12:25,140
obviously the latest one where you know

1976
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,940
he's been shrunken down but gets big

1977
01:12:30,590 --> 01:12:29,040
when he's small and all that kind of

1978
01:12:32,689 --> 01:12:30,600
stuff and yeah they were trying to talk

1979
01:12:34,669 --> 01:12:32,699
about that in the film and uh but yeah

1980
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:34,679
Nathan and yourself well we've got a

1981
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,060
good connection still as well it looks

1982
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:38,159
like all's good you're back uh Shadow by

1983
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:39,900
swear comments Gary Nolan saying he's

1984
01:12:43,870 --> 01:12:42,239
seen data from a few groups any thoughts

1985
01:12:46,669 --> 01:12:43,880
on that

1986
01:12:49,370 --> 01:12:46,679
yeah yeah I just would Echo what Dan

1987
01:12:51,410 --> 01:12:49,380
said and and uh and Ryan as well the the

1988
01:12:52,990 --> 01:12:51,420
and this kind of you know obviously fits

1989
01:12:55,729 --> 01:12:53,000
along with the point I was making that

1990
01:12:58,910 --> 01:12:55,739
you know we're going to be interrupted

1991
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:58,920
by uh something that

1992
01:13:03,410 --> 01:13:01,679
we're not expecting essentially

1993
01:13:05,570 --> 01:13:03,420
um that we'll have discoveries that will

1994
01:13:08,810 --> 01:13:05,580
come at us from from sort of vectors

1995
01:13:10,970 --> 01:13:08,820
that we're we're not prepared for and

1996
01:13:12,590 --> 01:13:10,980
um those will result in some pretty

1997
01:13:14,810 --> 01:13:12,600
tectonic changes in the way we

1998
01:13:16,370 --> 01:13:14,820
understand who we are in our place in

1999
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,380
the universe and all those things um I

2000
01:13:21,050 --> 01:13:18,719
think AI is already starting to kind of

2001
01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:21,060
give us some hints there that there is a

2002
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:22,440
lot going on that we don't quite

2003
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:24,120
understand

2004
01:13:27,530 --> 01:13:25,679
um the way that it can kind of

2005
01:13:30,169 --> 01:13:27,540
synthesize information and repackage

2006
01:13:32,810 --> 01:13:30,179
that and provide it to us uh you can

2007
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,820
only imagine the amount of information

2008
01:13:37,729 --> 01:13:35,040
that are exists in the human library

2009
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,739
right now and uh so many disciplines

2010
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,600
that never talk to each other that never

2011
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,520
have any interaction whatsoever but now

2012
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,679
we have a platform which can look at

2013
01:13:48,169 --> 01:13:45,840
that information look for similarity

2014
01:13:50,450 --> 01:13:48,179
draw new conclusions that have never

2015
01:13:53,450 --> 01:13:50,460
been drawn just by connecting some of

2016
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,460
these pieces of research and insight uh

2017
01:13:56,990 --> 01:13:55,440
and I think that that's um really

2018
01:13:59,390 --> 01:13:57,000
exciting but it's also going to be very

2019
01:14:01,550 --> 01:13:59,400
destabilizing just like it would be when

2020
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:01,560
we encounter a shadow world that we

2021
01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:03,420
didn't know was there the entire time I

2022
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:04,920
mean wait you're telling me germs are

2023
01:14:09,709 --> 01:14:07,199
everywhere well do I how how afraid

2024
01:14:12,050 --> 01:14:09,719
should I be you know how what do I need

2025
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:12,060
to do are they going to assault me you

2026
01:14:14,990 --> 01:14:13,440
know what what's happening there and so

2027
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:15,000
I think that but we've learned to live

2028
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:17,040
with them that's the lesson from The

2029
01:14:23,570 --> 01:14:20,880
Germ Discovery we learn to coexist with

2030
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:23,580
them in ways where we can preserve a

2031
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:25,440
sense of who we are but we've integrated

2032
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:28,380
that that awareness into our

2033
01:14:32,689 --> 01:14:30,239
understanding and I think that's where

2034
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:32,699
we are headed but the integration with

2035
01:14:38,930 --> 01:14:34,980
this topic whatever this is I think is

2036
01:14:40,669 --> 01:14:38,940
going to be profound and and and it's an

2037
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:40,679
amazing time so it doesn't say like

2038
01:14:45,229 --> 01:14:43,080
you're prescribed to the old germ threat

2039
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:45,239
narrative that is purported out there by

2040
01:14:48,770 --> 01:14:46,320
people

2041
01:14:50,570 --> 01:14:48,780
um your more peaceful uh coincide loving

2042
01:14:52,910 --> 01:14:50,580
late gems is what you go with is that

2043
01:14:54,890 --> 01:14:52,920
right 11 light germs exactly you don't

2044
01:14:57,950 --> 01:14:54,900
believe in domestos uh any of those

2045
01:15:00,050 --> 01:14:57,960
bleach products that are out there

2046
01:15:01,430 --> 01:15:00,060
ultimately the germs are good for us

2047
01:15:03,410 --> 01:15:01,440
yeah I thought you can kill too many of

2048
01:15:04,669 --> 01:15:03,420
them can't you um but do you know what

2049
01:15:05,930 --> 01:15:04,679
and some of the stuff you see I don't

2050
01:15:08,570 --> 01:15:05,940
know Nathan I don't know if you've saw

2051
01:15:09,950 --> 01:15:08,580
Dan I'm guessing you will have in Ryan I

2052
01:15:12,290 --> 01:15:09,960
don't know if you will have

2053
01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:12,300
um Theory of Everything cut dry Mongols

2054
01:15:15,950 --> 01:15:14,820
recent interview with Leslie Keane and

2055
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,960
yeah Ryan you're saying you've seen it

2056
01:15:20,570 --> 01:15:17,760
as well I wasn't sure she talked about

2057
01:15:22,810 --> 01:15:20,580
in 10 years time how different she

2058
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:22,820
thinks the world's going to be

2059
01:15:27,229 --> 01:15:25,679
given sources she's spoken to and I know

2060
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:27,239
Ross kulthat has said various things

2061
01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:29,040
like this as well that

2062
01:15:33,470 --> 01:15:31,500
she mentioned geopolitically but also in

2063
01:15:34,850 --> 01:15:33,480
terms like the UFO topic and discoveries

2064
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:34,860
that are going to be made and whatnot

2065
01:15:38,810 --> 01:15:36,960
that it's going to be very difficult for

2066
01:15:41,330 --> 01:15:38,820
us to have the same way of life we have

2067
01:15:42,890 --> 01:15:41,340
now given things that will come out

2068
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:42,900
we'll discover and just the way the

2069
01:15:46,370 --> 01:15:44,100
world will go

2070
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,380
is again do you think that very much

2071
01:15:52,490 --> 01:15:48,000
pertains to the discoveries around the

2072
01:15:57,229 --> 01:15:54,830
uh yeah

2073
01:15:59,149 --> 01:15:57,239
um you know this is a tricky one right I

2074
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:59,159
think all of us we've talked to enough

2075
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:00,480
experiencers we've read enough

2076
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,840
encounters where we are a little bit uh

2077
01:16:06,890 --> 01:16:05,280
I'm trying to think of the right

2078
01:16:10,970 --> 01:16:06,900
phrasing there's a little bit of fatigue

2079
01:16:12,890 --> 01:16:10,980
to this sort of uh you know cataclysm

2080
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:12,900
um narrative which I think is the

2081
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,320
subtext of what she's getting at there

2082
01:16:21,410 --> 01:16:18,480
um so it's nothing new uh we've heard

2083
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,420
that before over and over

2084
01:16:25,850 --> 01:16:23,760
um so the way I look at that though is

2085
01:16:28,490 --> 01:16:25,860
that um

2086
01:16:32,090 --> 01:16:28,500
there's something true to this Insight

2087
01:16:33,770 --> 01:16:32,100
of of endings

2088
01:16:36,649 --> 01:16:33,780
um endings have been a part of our story

2089
01:16:39,290 --> 01:16:36,659
for a long time uh apocalyptic endings

2090
01:16:40,910 --> 01:16:39,300
are part of most of our mythologies

2091
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:40,920
um there's something ingrained in the

2092
01:16:45,709 --> 01:16:43,860
human psyche if you will that that you

2093
01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:45,719
know whether it's just a existential

2094
01:16:51,350 --> 01:16:48,420
dread or not I don't know uh but it's a

2095
01:16:54,110 --> 01:16:51,360
part of who we are and uh I think we

2096
01:16:57,649 --> 01:16:54,120
need to wrestle with both the macro idea

2097
01:17:00,050 --> 01:16:57,659
of that and the personal idea of that uh

2098
01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:00,060
because the reality is one day the world

2099
01:17:07,310 --> 01:17:03,420
does end for you right the world

2100
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,320
literally ends uh as you know it and uh

2101
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:09,600
and and something else it you know lays

2102
01:17:13,370 --> 01:17:11,040
beyond that and so whether that's

2103
01:17:15,890 --> 01:17:13,380
happening globally or happening

2104
01:17:17,450 --> 01:17:15,900
individually in a ways in some ways kind

2105
01:17:20,209 --> 01:17:17,460
of irrelevant

2106
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,219
um and I think we need to maybe not

2107
01:17:25,850 --> 01:17:22,560
worry so much about how it ends and

2108
01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:25,860
focus on who we are in the face of that

2109
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:26,760
ending

2110
01:17:31,310 --> 01:17:29,040
and that that's to me the the biggest

2111
01:17:32,570 --> 01:17:31,320
takeaway to the whole thing done right

2112
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:32,580
in what if you want to come back in on

2113
01:17:37,729 --> 01:17:35,280
that again Leslie's comments

2114
01:17:39,950 --> 01:17:37,739
yeah I'll touch on it briefly I mean I

2115
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:39,960
did catch that part of the conversation

2116
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,000
I think it was towards the end

2117
01:17:47,870 --> 01:17:44,480
how appropriate of the uh the interview

2118
01:17:48,649 --> 01:17:47,880
and I it's weird you know I've I've met

2119
01:17:54,169 --> 01:17:48,659
with

2120
01:17:56,810 --> 01:17:54,179
we all have and that was one of the the

2121
01:17:59,330 --> 01:17:56,820
the first times I've really seen her

2122
01:18:01,250 --> 01:17:59,340
um talk about something so kinda

2123
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:01,260
uh

2124
01:18:11,050 --> 01:18:09,120
or sombery sombering even and um and

2125
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:11,060
that kind of brings me back to you know

2126
01:18:16,490 --> 01:18:13,920
Kurt also asked her if what would the

2127
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:16,500
public think if they knew the amount of

2128
01:18:21,229 --> 01:18:18,600
stuff you knew about all this and that's

2129
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,239
been asked of Elizondo and all these

2130
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:23,520
other people who allegedly have more

2131
01:18:28,430 --> 01:18:26,400
information than the public has and they

2132
01:18:30,410 --> 01:18:28,440
all sort of say the same thing and is

2133
01:18:33,410 --> 01:18:30,420
are they feeding off one another or do

2134
01:18:35,570 --> 01:18:33,420
they all really personally believe

2135
01:18:37,610 --> 01:18:35,580
um if the public knew

2136
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:37,620
what was really going on with the

2137
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:39,120
phenomena um it would be a very

2138
01:18:46,250 --> 01:18:42,960
sombering Revelation and and this is

2139
01:18:48,410 --> 01:18:46,260
kind of what I'm looking at right now

2140
01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:48,420
it's not going to be the answers we want

2141
01:18:53,810 --> 01:18:51,179
it's not going to be the answers that um

2142
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:53,820
a lot of people expected it's probably

2143
01:19:00,290 --> 01:18:56,400
going to be far more uh

2144
01:19:03,290 --> 01:19:00,300
complex and and possibly even disturbing

2145
01:19:05,570 --> 01:19:03,300
but um also uh Paradigm shifting like

2146
01:19:08,570 --> 01:19:05,580
Nathan said I think you know every story

2147
01:19:10,970 --> 01:19:08,580
has an end and and eventually all all of

2148
01:19:11,810 --> 01:19:10,980
us are going to come face to face with

2149
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:11,820
that

2150
01:19:15,649 --> 01:19:13,440
um in our own lives

2151
01:19:18,050 --> 01:19:15,659
um it's a matter of like you said how

2152
01:19:20,990 --> 01:19:18,060
you integrate that into your life and

2153
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:21,000
how you live that journey and and and

2154
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,760
pursue I guess that mystery rather than

2155
01:19:28,970 --> 01:19:25,920
what is it but how when is it going to

2156
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:28,980
happen when is the end or um is it going

2157
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,199
to be apocalyptic uh

2158
01:19:34,729 --> 01:19:33,840
I I personally can't live my life that

2159
01:19:39,709 --> 01:19:34,739
way

2160
01:19:41,570 --> 01:19:39,719
interesting to hear Leslie talk like

2161
01:19:43,610 --> 01:19:41,580
that I've never really heard her talk

2162
01:19:45,530 --> 01:19:43,620
like that in an interview before I have

2163
01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:45,540
no absolutely no idea what she could

2164
01:19:50,990 --> 01:19:48,420
have meant by it other than you know

2165
01:19:53,090 --> 01:19:51,000
we're all gonna have to face some very

2166
01:19:55,490 --> 01:19:53,100
hard truths when the truth does

2167
01:19:58,850 --> 01:19:55,500
eventually out on a lot of this stuff

2168
01:20:01,130 --> 01:19:58,860
and um that that I don't look at it as

2169
01:20:03,890 --> 01:20:01,140
good or bad I look at it as it's it's a

2170
01:20:06,770 --> 01:20:03,900
learning process and it's where we go

2171
01:20:10,330 --> 01:20:06,780
from there uh so yeah yeah I think it

2172
01:20:13,610 --> 01:20:10,340
was it was interesting and um yeah just

2173
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:13,620
not the Leslie I know and not the Leslie

2174
01:20:17,209 --> 01:20:15,120
that I think a lot of us hear a lot of

2175
01:20:19,070 --> 01:20:17,219
the time so that was interesting

2176
01:20:20,930 --> 01:20:19,080
done let just before you make your point

2177
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:20,940
on it I'll frame the question to you in

2178
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:23,040
this way that if anyone's out there and

2179
01:20:26,750 --> 01:20:24,719
you think oh my God this is like

2180
01:20:29,149 --> 01:20:26,760
apocalyptic in the terms of you know

2181
01:20:31,790 --> 01:20:29,159
Armageddon type Independence Day end of

2182
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:31,800
the world type scenarios would Leslie

2183
01:20:36,770 --> 01:20:34,800
Kane Ross cool talk Louis zondo and any

2184
01:20:38,810 --> 01:20:36,780
anyone in the past present our future

2185
01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:38,820
who's going to speak about those types

2186
01:20:44,209 --> 01:20:40,920
of events happening if they knew about

2187
01:20:46,370 --> 01:20:44,219
those being truly world ending would

2188
01:20:48,830 --> 01:20:46,380
they be wasting their time writing books

2189
01:20:51,770 --> 01:20:48,840
or giving us any of the time setting on

2190
01:20:53,810 --> 01:20:51,780
podcasts or speaking at conferences if

2191
01:20:55,970 --> 01:20:53,820
they knew that was coming I I don't

2192
01:20:58,610 --> 01:20:55,980
think so if it was going to be you know

2193
01:21:01,790 --> 01:20:58,620
that sort of Terminator two Judgment Day

2194
01:21:03,709 --> 01:21:01,800
scenario but moreover like you say

2195
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:03,719
Paradigm Shift there's going to be a way

2196
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:06,239
of thinking that changes aspects of a

2197
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:09,360
way of life changes or do you think they

2198
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:10,800
are just nice enough to give us our time

2199
01:21:16,430 --> 01:21:13,920
in the face of impending them I I would

2200
01:21:18,050 --> 01:21:16,440
like the uh the time of day so I know

2201
01:21:20,270 --> 01:21:18,060
whether to get up early to you know do

2202
01:21:21,890 --> 01:21:20,280
my hair stuff like that it would be it'd

2203
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:21,900
be good instead of just like the month I

2204
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:24,480
want to know exactly when yeah um but

2205
01:21:27,290 --> 01:21:25,679
you're totally right but you know

2206
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:27,300
Revelations they're they're New

2207
01:21:30,830 --> 01:21:28,800
Beginnings their shifts they're not

2208
01:21:33,169 --> 01:21:30,840
they're not endings and where I

2209
01:21:36,050 --> 01:21:33,179
currently am in Mexico something has

2210
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,060
become very very clear to me uh

2211
01:21:40,370 --> 01:21:38,880
the encounter between the Maya and the

2212
01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:40,380
Conquistadors

2213
01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,260
um is is often spoken about as you know

2214
01:21:47,090 --> 01:21:45,840
when an advanced species comes in uh

2215
01:21:49,310 --> 01:21:47,100
they wipe out

2216
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:49,320
the indigenous species that's not true

2217
01:21:52,729 --> 01:21:51,120
they're still here

2218
01:21:54,350 --> 01:21:52,739
their ancestors are still here they're

2219
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:54,360
still practicing the rituals they didn't

2220
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:57,120
go away life transformed and it

2221
01:22:01,370 --> 01:21:59,760
transformed for the Invaders too what

2222
01:22:03,709 --> 01:22:01,380
happened you know like a whole bunch of

2223
01:22:05,209 --> 01:22:03,719
people switched sides and and loved the

2224
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:05,219
way of life here and wanted to preserve

2225
01:22:08,930 --> 01:22:06,960
it and and now the culture that you have

2226
01:22:11,149 --> 01:22:08,940
is this kind of mishmash of two things

2227
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:11,159
and resulted in something that needs

2228
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,960
aside thought they would ever be a part

2229
01:22:16,970 --> 01:22:14,880
of and and I think that subtlety is

2230
01:22:18,890 --> 01:22:16,980
worth considering you know like we say

2231
01:22:20,510 --> 01:22:18,900
it's it's not an ending it's a new

2232
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:20,520
beginning it's a transformation into a

2233
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,260
way of life that that you were not

2234
01:22:28,189 --> 01:22:24,480
accustomed to before

2235
01:22:30,110 --> 01:22:28,199
science often comes from left field it's

2236
01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:30,120
not a comfortable kind of like oh yeah

2237
01:22:35,209 --> 01:22:31,980
you know we've got the PS5 now so I know

2238
01:22:36,890 --> 01:22:35,219
there's going to be a ps10 uh chances

2239
01:22:39,709 --> 01:22:36,900
are you know Nintendo will make another

2240
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:39,719
Wii and totally blow the competition out

2241
01:22:42,290 --> 01:22:41,040
the water in a way that they weren't

2242
01:22:43,610 --> 01:22:42,300
expecting

2243
01:22:47,630 --> 01:22:43,620
um while you guys were talking about it

2244
01:22:50,270 --> 01:22:47,640
I just uh chucked into the the AI Bing

2245
01:22:51,950 --> 01:22:50,280
thing uh I asked it what some of the

2246
01:22:53,870 --> 01:22:51,960
cutting-edge sciences that we should be

2247
01:22:55,790 --> 01:22:53,880
paying attention to and it gave me a few

2248
01:22:57,770 --> 01:22:55,800
examples synthetic biology Quantum

2249
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:57,780
Computing brain computer interfaces

2250
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,760
Anonymous systems geoengineering

2251
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:01,679
synthetic chemistry

2252
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:05,040
space exploration all those things are

2253
01:23:09,950 --> 01:23:07,560
manipulating space and matter

2254
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:09,960
so imagine if you didn't need to go to a

2255
01:23:13,550 --> 01:23:11,520
supermarket anymore imagine if you

2256
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:13,560
didn't need to sit on a website and fill

2257
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:15,120
your basket and then order it you could

2258
01:23:18,169 --> 01:23:16,320
just think about these things and they

2259
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,179
would materialize in front of you it

2260
01:23:22,430 --> 01:23:20,400
would totally change the world and in in

2261
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:22,440
ways that we're not expecting this AI

2262
01:23:26,450 --> 01:23:24,239
stuff is already doing that for us right

2263
01:23:28,130 --> 01:23:26,460
like people are talking about the end of

2264
01:23:30,649 --> 01:23:28,140
certain job roles and things like that

2265
01:23:32,630 --> 01:23:30,659
and how we serve the people who were

2266
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:32,640
doing those roles before do they just

2267
01:23:36,830 --> 01:23:34,800
Whittle away in society or do we support

2268
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,840
them in another way

2269
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:39,120
it's worth remembering as well that and

2270
01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:40,560
I'm going to quote the great It's Always

2271
01:23:46,250 --> 01:23:43,380
Sunny in Philadelphia here that science

2272
01:23:48,590 --> 01:23:46,260
is a liar sometimes

2273
01:23:51,110 --> 01:23:48,600
the whole thing with Galileo

2274
01:23:54,169 --> 01:23:51,120
science Advanced by kicking and

2275
01:23:55,729 --> 01:23:54,179
screaming he said objectively this is

2276
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:55,739
what's going on and the world did not

2277
01:23:59,990 --> 01:23:57,120
believe him they locked him in a tower

2278
01:24:01,010 --> 01:24:00,000
they denied him you know his life and

2279
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:01,020
and

2280
01:24:05,810 --> 01:24:03,360
it's just these these massive

2281
01:24:08,030 --> 01:24:05,820
advancements always come with pain

2282
01:24:10,630 --> 01:24:08,040
whether you think it's good or bad is

2283
01:24:13,490 --> 01:24:10,640
kind of by the by this is how we advance

2284
01:24:15,470 --> 01:24:13,500
95 of the universe isn't known to us

2285
01:24:17,209 --> 01:24:15,480
it's dark matter it's dark energy there

2286
01:24:19,130 --> 01:24:17,219
could be anything there

2287
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:19,140
um you know a two-month-year-old could

2288
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,880
probably figure out more than 95 of

2289
01:24:26,090 --> 01:24:23,280
snakes and ladders that we think we know

2290
01:24:28,010 --> 01:24:26,100
what consensus reality is it's it's

2291
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:28,020
crazy to me that

2292
01:24:32,450 --> 01:24:30,000
we act as if we know what's in the world

2293
01:24:35,810 --> 01:24:32,460
when really we really don't you know

2294
01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:35,820
just the idea of you know we we touch

2295
01:24:40,189 --> 01:24:38,400
things isn't even true its forces

2296
01:24:42,010 --> 01:24:40,199
interacting between us and those kind of

2297
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:42,020
subtleties uh with things like

2298
01:24:45,709 --> 01:24:44,400
quantumania people are going to start

2299
01:24:48,530 --> 01:24:45,719
understanding these things in really

2300
01:24:50,330 --> 01:24:48,540
simple ways and and it's astounding to

2301
01:24:51,709 --> 01:24:50,340
think that someone that watches that

2302
01:24:52,970 --> 01:24:51,719
movie and comes away kind of going wait

2303
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,980
so there could be life or at a small

2304
01:24:57,350 --> 01:24:54,480
scale like what is the Quantum world

2305
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:57,360
that person knows more about the

2306
01:25:00,590 --> 01:24:58,320
Universe

2307
01:25:03,050 --> 01:25:00,600
um is more Cutting Edge than the average

2308
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:03,060
person or probably the average scientist

2309
01:25:07,070 --> 01:25:04,860
a hundred years ago they're just further

2310
01:25:09,050 --> 01:25:07,080
down the path and and that took us all

2311
01:25:11,149 --> 01:25:09,060
to kind of discover and repackage and

2312
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:11,159
pass around and talk about

2313
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:12,000
um

2314
01:25:16,130 --> 01:25:14,820
the afterlife was something that Leslie

2315
01:25:18,649 --> 01:25:16,140
spoke about as well which is really

2316
01:25:20,570 --> 01:25:18,659
interesting and Consciousness studies

2317
01:25:22,430 --> 01:25:20,580
are kind of going in that direction to

2318
01:25:25,310 --> 01:25:22,440
kind of be like you know what what makes

2319
01:25:27,290 --> 01:25:25,320
me me you know the what is my damnness

2320
01:25:29,090 --> 01:25:27,300
like is it different to Nathan or Ryan

2321
01:25:30,169 --> 01:25:29,100
are we all just the same thing in

2322
01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:30,179
different bodies having different

2323
01:25:34,370 --> 01:25:32,340
experiences and that makes us who we are

2324
01:25:36,169 --> 01:25:34,380
it's a really really interesting

2325
01:25:37,610 --> 01:25:36,179
question I'd recommend that people

2326
01:25:39,290 --> 01:25:37,620
search out some of the peer-reviewed

2327
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,300
studies on the afterlife that Leslie

2328
01:25:43,790 --> 01:25:41,280
spoke about on that show because they

2329
01:25:45,649 --> 01:25:43,800
exist and no one really has an answer

2330
01:25:48,590 --> 01:25:45,659
they're just mind-blowing

2331
01:25:50,689 --> 01:25:48,600
But ultimately it all leads to us kind

2332
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:50,699
of asking ourselves what does it mean to

2333
01:25:54,890 --> 01:25:51,840
be human

2334
01:25:58,370 --> 01:25:54,900
because our idea at the moment you know

2335
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,380
the body Consciousness how we look not

2336
01:26:03,649 --> 01:26:00,719
every human has two legs two arms you

2337
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:03,659
know we are all in different forms and

2338
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:06,719
defining something other is gonna also

2339
01:26:11,870 --> 01:26:08,880
Define ourselves in a way that we just

2340
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,880
aren't aware of right now so as we go

2341
01:26:15,050 --> 01:26:13,440
forward we're going to be creating life

2342
01:26:16,910 --> 01:26:15,060
we're going to be manipulating matter in

2343
01:26:19,850 --> 01:26:16,920
space so that's going to really really

2344
01:26:21,290 --> 01:26:19,860
change how we see ourselves

2345
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,300
there's some really good points I just

2346
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:23,040
wanted to mention I'm not intelligent

2347
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,480
enough to think about some of these

2348
01:26:28,490 --> 01:26:26,400
crazy ideas and work them out from kind

2349
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:28,500
of start to finish so I try and really

2350
01:26:32,330 --> 01:26:30,719
simplify complicated things that they

2351
01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:32,340
make sense to me and you know when

2352
01:26:35,330 --> 01:26:33,600
you're talking about people might be

2353
01:26:37,250 --> 01:26:35,340
thinking it's crazy that you can just

2354
01:26:39,229 --> 01:26:37,260
think of ordering your shopping and it

2355
01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:39,239
appears at your door and I just think

2356
01:26:42,590 --> 01:26:40,860
well actually if I've got that process

2357
01:26:44,689 --> 01:26:42,600
almost already

2358
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:44,699
but if you look at Amazon and I don't

2359
01:26:48,350 --> 01:26:46,080
know if they still do them a couple of

2360
01:26:50,450 --> 01:26:48,360
years ago you could order a button for

2361
01:26:52,370 --> 01:26:50,460
example you could put a magnetic button

2362
01:26:54,830 --> 01:26:52,380
on your washing machine that would link

2363
01:26:56,930 --> 01:26:54,840
via your Wi-Fi to when you press it it

2364
01:26:58,910 --> 01:26:56,940
would order new washing up powder that

2365
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:58,920
brand with a click of a button so you

2366
01:27:03,169 --> 01:27:00,960
don't even have to go onto Amazon log

2367
01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:03,179
into your account find a washing powder

2368
01:27:07,310 --> 01:27:05,280
order put in your details all that was

2369
01:27:09,530 --> 01:27:07,320
done already you just click the button

2370
01:27:11,149 --> 01:27:09,540
and ordered it for you and I think of it

2371
01:27:13,070 --> 01:27:11,159
this way that all you actually need now

2372
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:13,080
for that process to work what you said

2373
01:27:17,209 --> 01:27:15,120
Dan is how do we remove the button

2374
01:27:19,490 --> 01:27:17,219
because we've got all the rest of that

2375
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:19,500
information in process already there and

2376
01:27:24,350 --> 01:27:21,600
it's like a lot of this stuff in so many

2377
01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:24,360
stages is there it's just removing that

2378
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:27,060
one thing like the television you know

2379
01:27:32,030 --> 01:27:29,280
I'm watching the football game yeah but

2380
01:27:34,189 --> 01:27:32,040
how could I be more immersed in that how

2381
01:27:35,629 --> 01:27:34,199
can you get me in the TV you know that

2382
01:27:37,129 --> 01:27:35,639
virtual reality side of things how can

2383
01:27:38,570 --> 01:27:37,139
you take away the helmet how can you

2384
01:27:40,430 --> 01:27:38,580
take away the glasses the mask the

2385
01:27:42,530 --> 01:27:40,440
actual physical product and it's just

2386
01:27:44,330 --> 01:27:42,540
that next step or maybe two steps away

2387
01:27:46,850 --> 01:27:44,340
from some of these things being more

2388
01:27:48,649 --> 01:27:46,860
more possible and realistic than than

2389
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:48,659
maybe people realize and that's the way

2390
01:27:51,890 --> 01:27:49,920
I kind of try and break down some of

2391
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:51,900
these ideas that's that's far on and

2392
01:27:55,370 --> 01:27:53,520
that's so true and you can kind of see

2393
01:27:57,530 --> 01:27:55,380
it with uh you know what matter are

2394
01:27:58,610 --> 01:27:57,540
doing with their a the VR stuff where

2395
01:28:00,770 --> 01:27:58,620
they're kind of going yeah we're gonna

2396
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,780
make people an avatar and they can walk

2397
01:28:04,129 --> 01:28:02,400
around in these spaces and people are

2398
01:28:06,590 --> 01:28:04,139
kind of going why I can go outside like

2399
01:28:08,330 --> 01:28:06,600
why would I need that like that system

2400
01:28:10,189 --> 01:28:08,340
will look different when they get it

2401
01:28:11,870 --> 01:28:10,199
right it'll kind of complement our

2402
01:28:13,850 --> 01:28:11,880
reality it won't replace it we're not

2403
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:13,860
going to go into Ready Player One

2404
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:15,840
um but to to your point about you know

2405
01:28:21,470 --> 01:28:18,960
entertainment and enjoying it

2406
01:28:23,090 --> 01:28:21,480
something like neurolink could give us

2407
01:28:24,590 --> 01:28:23,100
an experience of you know I want to

2408
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:24,600
watch endgame and experience all the

2409
01:28:28,250 --> 01:28:26,880
emotions of Tony Stark and see how he

2410
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:28,260
feels and how he thinks as he goes

2411
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:29,520
through it you know shut my brain off as

2412
01:28:32,090 --> 01:28:30,719
I'm doing it I'm sure you'd love to

2413
01:28:34,370 --> 01:28:32,100
watch a football game and be inside

2414
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:34,380
Ronaldo's head and kind of experience

2415
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:36,480
what it's like to be Ronaldo and those

2416
01:28:40,430 --> 01:28:38,639
kind of things that you know maybe 10 20

2417
01:28:41,750 --> 01:28:40,440
30 years away like it's it's not that

2418
01:28:43,790 --> 01:28:41,760
far

2419
01:28:45,290 --> 01:28:43,800
yeah absolutely and listen I've had

2420
01:28:47,149 --> 01:28:45,300
speaking of endings we're getting

2421
01:28:48,770 --> 01:28:47,159
towards the end of the time for for all

2422
01:28:50,810 --> 01:28:48,780
of your gents as well so I want to fire

2423
01:28:53,810 --> 01:28:50,820
through quickly a couple of ideas so

2424
01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:53,820
we'll keep it as short as possible but

2425
01:28:57,649 --> 01:28:56,159
um recently a few listeners Xander Joe

2426
01:29:00,350 --> 01:28:57,659
and a few other people asked about

2427
01:29:02,750 --> 01:29:00,360
George Knapp on weaponized talking about

2428
01:29:05,450 --> 01:29:02,760
the story that Al O'Donnell revealed

2429
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:05,460
that they had a live being at Area 51

2430
01:29:10,910 --> 01:29:07,440
and this was told to a few different

2431
01:29:12,649 --> 01:29:10,920
people your thoughts on the idea that on

2432
01:29:14,209 --> 01:29:12,659
podcasts like weaponize we're now

2433
01:29:15,950 --> 01:29:14,219
hearing these kind of stories coming out

2434
01:29:17,450 --> 01:29:15,960
I don't know if this was the same

2435
01:29:19,550 --> 01:29:17,460
warning so I'm not fully up to date and

2436
01:29:21,950 --> 01:29:19,560
I know Dan you had messaged uh on the

2437
01:29:23,810 --> 01:29:21,960
UAP Media Chat maybe about this where

2438
01:29:27,530 --> 01:29:23,820
someone said that one of the small

2439
01:29:29,090 --> 01:29:27,540
humanoids resembled Ross pero who I

2440
01:29:31,250 --> 01:29:29,100
don't know who that is

2441
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:31,260
um but everyone's nodding on camera so

2442
01:29:38,330 --> 01:29:35,040
yeah can someone fill me in on that one

2443
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:38,340
yeah I mean I mean I I I'm not a huge

2444
01:29:42,770 --> 01:29:40,320
political person but I do remember when

2445
01:29:45,050 --> 01:29:42,780
Ross Perot ran for office

2446
01:29:50,090 --> 01:29:45,060
um he's just this small

2447
01:29:53,870 --> 01:29:50,100
spindly dude with huge ears he was

2448
01:29:56,510 --> 01:29:53,880
you know completely like fodder for SNL

2449
01:29:58,970 --> 01:29:56,520
for a while I think Dana Carvey played

2450
01:30:02,390 --> 01:29:58,980
him if I'm correct in that

2451
01:30:05,330 --> 01:30:02,400
um so the fact that a dead alien was not

2452
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:05,340
so much a gray but was Ross Perot uh

2453
01:30:08,990 --> 01:30:07,199
definitely made me giggle when George

2454
01:30:11,209 --> 01:30:09,000
Knapp brought that up and then it also

2455
01:30:13,370 --> 01:30:11,219
just plays into the absurdity of all of

2456
01:30:15,649 --> 01:30:13,380
this yeah like no of course the alien

2457
01:30:18,590 --> 01:30:15,659
wasn't a typical gray it looked like

2458
01:30:20,570 --> 01:30:18,600
Ross Perot this like super obscure

2459
01:30:22,850 --> 01:30:20,580
person who ran for office in the United

2460
01:30:24,590 --> 01:30:22,860
States so yeah yeah I thought that was

2461
01:30:27,050 --> 01:30:24,600
pretty interesting when I heard it and

2462
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:27,060
uh definitely got my attention

2463
01:30:30,850 --> 01:30:29,520
yeah those kind of Revelations are we

2464
01:30:33,229 --> 01:30:30,860
going to get more of those do you think

2465
01:30:35,689 --> 01:30:33,239
unweapnized something that stood out to

2466
01:30:38,030 --> 01:30:35,699
me is that on the first episode they

2467
01:30:40,850 --> 01:30:38,040
mentioned it wouldn't just be UFOs they

2468
01:30:43,250 --> 01:30:40,860
would go True Crime paranormal and

2469
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:43,260
that's probably a good idea because I

2470
01:30:48,110 --> 01:30:44,880
think there's a finite amount those guys

2471
01:30:50,270 --> 01:30:48,120
could do without starting to dip into

2472
01:30:52,250 --> 01:30:50,280
maybe the stuff that we cover on various

2473
01:30:54,410 --> 01:30:52,260
different shows and formats and I don't

2474
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:54,420
think that's what they're going for

2475
01:30:57,169 --> 01:30:55,199
um

2476
01:31:01,550 --> 01:30:57,179
so

2477
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:01,560
I know Jeremy corbell's already hinted

2478
01:31:04,610 --> 01:31:03,120
at another High Noon coming this

2479
01:31:07,310 --> 01:31:04,620
Wednesday

2480
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:07,320
or do you see the podcast being more of

2481
01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:08,639
a series then we can have talked about

2482
01:31:12,530 --> 01:31:10,920
that didn't we in the before about is it

2483
01:31:15,169 --> 01:31:12,540
going to be a continuing thing or would

2484
01:31:16,910 --> 01:31:15,179
it be better served being sexuals and it

2485
01:31:19,930 --> 01:31:16,920
goes away for a while sex shows and it

2486
01:31:25,310 --> 01:31:23,810
yeah for me I I would to be honest I I'd

2487
01:31:27,050 --> 01:31:25,320
prefer them to kind of get the ducks in

2488
01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:27,060
a row and present the information as

2489
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:28,980
whole pieces you know I I can understand

2490
01:31:33,709 --> 01:31:31,199
that in today's media landscape you kind

2491
01:31:35,209 --> 01:31:33,719
of have to generate hype and and get

2492
01:31:37,010 --> 01:31:35,219
people talking about it and that's what

2493
01:31:38,629 --> 01:31:37,020
spreads the message

2494
01:31:42,050 --> 01:31:38,639
um recently after they did the muscle

2495
01:31:43,490 --> 01:31:42,060
orb reveal uh Jeremy went on to CNN to

2496
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:43,500
kind of talk to them about some some

2497
01:31:50,090 --> 01:31:47,040
things and that connection there you

2498
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:50,100
know if if they have more videos it

2499
01:31:53,930 --> 01:31:52,320
makes sense to use the connection to CNN

2500
01:31:55,250 --> 01:31:53,940
to present them on the news program so

2501
01:31:56,270 --> 01:31:55,260
that they're a bit more repeatable going

2502
01:31:57,470 --> 01:31:56,280
around

2503
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:57,480
um and I say that with the Pinterest hop

2504
01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:58,560
because there's a lot of people that

2505
01:32:02,270 --> 01:32:00,000
will be groaning at me for saying the

2506
01:32:04,070 --> 01:32:02,280
CNN is reputable out there but that just

2507
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:04,080
speaks to our point about Authority

2508
01:32:06,410 --> 01:32:05,520
earlier right

2509
01:32:09,290 --> 01:32:06,420
um

2510
01:32:10,970 --> 01:32:09,300
we need robust information presented as

2511
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:10,980
much as I love these stories they are

2512
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:13,920
just stories without that

2513
01:32:20,030 --> 01:32:17,520
fair enough amen yeah I I would agree

2514
01:32:21,530 --> 01:32:20,040
um Jeremy Corbell and and George you

2515
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:21,540
know they're they're doing a good job of

2516
01:32:25,430 --> 01:32:24,480
I think uh bringing the energy up to the

2517
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:25,440
topic

2518
01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:27,120
um is sort of

2519
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:28,560
not like

2520
01:32:32,510 --> 01:32:30,719
highly caffeinated sound bites in a way

2521
01:32:34,430 --> 01:32:32,520
like and that's kind of their thing and

2522
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:34,440
Jeremy's great on camera I think he's

2523
01:32:37,850 --> 01:32:36,239
really compelling when he does

2524
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:37,860
interviews so I do think we'll continue

2525
01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:40,560
to see some interesting nuggets come out

2526
01:32:43,430 --> 01:32:42,000
of that

2527
01:32:45,770 --> 01:32:43,440
um

2528
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:45,780
I think regarding the alien you know

2529
01:32:50,330 --> 01:32:48,480
tidbit I mean that just fits along with

2530
01:32:52,910 --> 01:32:50,340
what we've all heard for years that they

2531
01:32:54,970 --> 01:32:52,920
that they're so to me that just uh adds

2532
01:32:57,290 --> 01:32:54,980
one additional data point to that story

2533
01:32:58,610 --> 01:32:57,300
that there there really was something

2534
01:33:00,350 --> 01:32:58,620
there

2535
01:33:03,290 --> 01:33:00,360
um honestly I've been looking a lot more

2536
01:33:04,970 --> 01:33:03,300
at Ryan graves in this podcast uh you

2537
01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:04,980
know merged I thought that's the

2538
01:33:08,810 --> 01:33:06,480
production quality is really really good

2539
01:33:10,669 --> 01:33:08,820
and that's what I'm looking at to see

2540
01:33:12,470 --> 01:33:10,679
how the consensus is changing because

2541
01:33:14,570 --> 01:33:12,480
the more that he's bringing in these

2542
01:33:17,090 --> 01:33:14,580
pilots who are just comfortable being

2543
01:33:18,649 --> 01:33:17,100
like yeah I'm a I'm a lifetime pilot

2544
01:33:20,390 --> 01:33:18,659
I've flown people around the world I've

2545
01:33:21,890 --> 01:33:20,400
got you know thousands of hours in the

2546
01:33:23,629 --> 01:33:21,900
sky I mean these are the most reputable

2547
01:33:26,689 --> 01:33:23,639
people you could imagine and he's got

2548
01:33:28,189 --> 01:33:26,699
them just seems like a never-ending

2549
01:33:30,350 --> 01:33:28,199
supply of them willing to come forward

2550
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:30,360
and talk about their experiences that to

2551
01:33:34,370 --> 01:33:33,360
me is pointing at the stigma changing in

2552
01:33:36,350 --> 01:33:34,380
a big way

2553
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:36,360
do you know for me the merged podcast

2554
01:33:40,970 --> 01:33:38,639
idea though is that a sustainable

2555
01:33:42,649 --> 01:33:40,980
long-term podcast in terms of format

2556
01:33:44,090 --> 01:33:42,659
because how many Pilots can you have one

2557
01:33:46,250 --> 01:33:44,100
week after week talking about the

2558
01:33:48,830 --> 01:33:46,260
experience I would love to have seen

2559
01:33:51,890 --> 01:33:48,840
that in the format of an episode of of

2560
01:33:54,649 --> 01:33:51,900
Leslie Kane series for example or is

2561
01:33:57,229 --> 01:33:54,659
that a 60 Minutes piece on its own where

2562
01:33:59,209 --> 01:33:57,239
here we have Ryan Graves an authority

2563
01:34:01,310 --> 01:33:59,219
because of his background and experience

2564
01:34:03,229 --> 01:34:01,320
and and the way he speaks how eloquent

2565
01:34:05,270 --> 01:34:03,239
he is and he's a handsome guy so he's

2566
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:05,280
presentable on a television show as you

2567
01:34:09,070 --> 01:34:06,719
all know Ryan

2568
01:34:11,390 --> 01:34:09,080
um being one yourself

2569
01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:11,400
there but you know is that something

2570
01:34:15,649 --> 01:34:13,440
that's a hard hitting 60 Minutes piece

2571
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:15,659
where he gets them on back to back to

2572
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:18,480
back five minutes bang bang and that

2573
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:20,159
also translates to your Tick Tock clips

2574
01:34:24,590 --> 01:34:21,840
that translates to your YouTube shorts

2575
01:34:26,570 --> 01:34:24,600
here are all these pilots in an hour or

2576
01:34:28,430 --> 01:34:26,580
a massive National stage which I think

2577
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:28,440
Ryan should have with that sort of thing

2578
01:34:34,370 --> 01:34:30,480
to go here's here's the data being

2579
01:34:37,030 --> 01:34:34,380
presented as opposed to on a far less

2580
01:34:40,129 --> 01:34:37,040
exposed platform as big as YouTube is

2581
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:40,139
merged as in Joe Rogan you know where

2582
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:41,520
you've got bang back that information

2583
01:34:45,229 --> 01:34:43,440
far enough I don't know I just think

2584
01:34:46,669 --> 01:34:45,239
maybe that's the kind of stuff way back

2585
01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:46,679
at the start when Layla mentioned about

2586
01:34:51,229 --> 01:34:49,679
the the continuation could that have

2587
01:34:55,850 --> 01:34:51,239
been on

2588
01:34:58,910 --> 01:34:55,860
some other beggar piece

2589
01:35:01,129 --> 01:34:58,920
I I mean I'll touch on that briefly Andy

2590
01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:01,139
I think what we're seeing with merged is

2591
01:35:07,010 --> 01:35:04,800
kind of um this is Ryan's pitch for

2592
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:07,020
everything he's doing right now and the

2593
01:35:13,729 --> 01:35:08,880
progress he's made with the committee

2594
01:35:16,910 --> 01:35:13,739
and um with his new uh established space

2595
01:35:19,550 --> 01:35:16,920
yeah that he just announced so what I

2596
01:35:21,890 --> 01:35:19,560
see merged as is I don't know I mean

2597
01:35:23,810 --> 01:35:21,900
none of us know like how long he's going

2598
01:35:26,990 --> 01:35:23,820
to be doing it or whatnot um how many

2599
01:35:29,870 --> 01:35:27,000
episodes there will be but I see it as

2600
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:29,880
um this is him showing this is what we

2601
01:35:34,729 --> 01:35:31,199
need to be doing we need to hear from

2602
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:34,739
the pilots they need to um because I I

2603
01:35:40,370 --> 01:35:36,239
can't tell you how many like commercial

2604
01:35:42,050 --> 01:35:40,380
pilots probably saw the past few

2605
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:42,060
episodes of these other Pilots coming

2606
01:35:46,250 --> 01:35:44,159
forward and they're like whoa this is

2607
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:46,260
cool oh wait so now there's somewhere I

2608
01:35:51,070 --> 01:35:48,719
can go and report this awesome so yeah I

2609
01:35:54,110 --> 01:35:51,080
think you know more than like really

2610
01:35:56,209 --> 01:35:54,120
changing the conversation I think what

2611
01:35:59,090 --> 01:35:56,219
uh Ryan's doing is enriching the

2612
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:59,100
conversation and adding to the data and

2613
01:36:03,649 --> 01:36:00,960
um and I think the this committee he

2614
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:03,659
established in this new group uh is only

2615
01:36:08,750 --> 01:36:05,520
going to help it's only going to help uh

2616
01:36:13,070 --> 01:36:08,760
further the data and uh and honestly you

2617
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:13,080
know just keep our skies safe uh like he

2618
01:36:18,110 --> 01:36:15,360
Ryan has said it's only going to take

2619
01:36:19,850 --> 01:36:18,120
one of these things to collide for like

2620
01:36:21,470 --> 01:36:19,860
everyone to be like holy we should

2621
01:36:24,290 --> 01:36:21,480
have been paying attention to this all

2622
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:24,300
along so yeah yeah I see merge just kind

2623
01:36:30,290 --> 01:36:28,320
of a um a really well done sales pitch

2624
01:36:33,050 --> 01:36:30,300
for everything that Graves is doing

2625
01:36:35,209 --> 01:36:33,060
right now with uh with with his groups

2626
01:36:36,050 --> 01:36:35,219
and and whatnot so yeah I think it's

2627
01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:36,060
great

2628
01:36:39,169 --> 01:36:37,679
I thought you were going to get in there

2629
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:39,179
somewhere in the skies plug at some

2630
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:41,280
point there the lane you made but it was

2631
01:36:47,570 --> 01:36:42,480
close you've got a chance to do that

2632
01:36:49,310 --> 01:36:47,580
soon yeah Dan you've got an aiet joke

2633
01:36:51,649 --> 01:36:49,320
yeah well just before I kind of share

2634
01:36:54,169 --> 01:36:51,659
this amazing incredible artificial

2635
01:36:55,250 --> 01:36:54,179
intelligence generated joke uh but I I

2636
01:36:57,770 --> 01:36:55,260
think that's a really good way of

2637
01:36:59,270 --> 01:36:57,780
looking at motor uh Ryan like to me it

2638
01:37:01,310 --> 01:36:59,280
comes across like The Lex fragment of

2639
01:37:02,810 --> 01:37:01,320
UFOs right just exploring that but I

2640
01:37:04,370 --> 01:37:02,820
think at some point it's going to expand

2641
01:37:06,350 --> 01:37:04,380
because we're kind of getting everyone

2642
01:37:08,030 --> 01:37:06,360
to a point where we kind of go okay so

2643
01:37:10,490 --> 01:37:08,040
there's a thing here let's investigate

2644
01:37:12,290 --> 01:37:10,500
then there's work to do and that stuff

2645
01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:12,300
isn't you know scientists I'm going to

2646
01:37:14,629 --> 01:37:13,440
be doing podcasts every day while

2647
01:37:16,250 --> 01:37:14,639
they're investigating this stuff they're

2648
01:37:18,410 --> 01:37:16,260
going to investigate and present a

2649
01:37:20,330 --> 01:37:18,420
peer-reviewed paper so there's gonna be

2650
01:37:22,910 --> 01:37:20,340
a bit of quiet time while people figure

2651
01:37:24,530 --> 01:37:22,920
this out something curious that that you

2652
01:37:25,729 --> 01:37:24,540
know if any Pilots are watching let us

2653
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:25,739
know because

2654
01:37:29,570 --> 01:37:27,600
recently this week there were kind of

2655
01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:29,580
some Northern Lights appearances kind of

2656
01:37:33,709 --> 01:37:31,440
a bit further south than usual some in

2657
01:37:35,090 --> 01:37:33,719
the UK and there was an EasyJet pilot

2658
01:37:37,370 --> 01:37:35,100
that was flying from Reykjavik to

2659
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:37,380
Manchester in the UK and he actually

2660
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:40,080
changed course so that people on both

2661
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:41,760
sides of the planes could could see it

2662
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:42,960
and I thought that was really

2663
01:37:45,709 --> 01:37:44,159
interesting because we're constantly

2664
01:37:46,970 --> 01:37:45,719
hearing commercial pilots saying while I

2665
01:37:49,129 --> 01:37:46,980
was flying people I couldn't go off

2666
01:37:50,570 --> 01:37:49,139
course yet this pilot did an EasyJet

2667
01:37:52,129 --> 01:37:50,580
were like yeah we're happy but this guy

2668
01:37:55,129 --> 01:37:52,139
did that and gave our passengers a great

2669
01:37:57,770 --> 01:37:55,139
experience so they can go off course to

2670
01:37:59,390 --> 01:37:57,780
take a closer look at some phenomena

2671
01:38:01,010 --> 01:37:59,400
um I guess depending on how far away it

2672
01:38:03,110 --> 01:38:01,020
is but I'm curious like does that mean

2673
01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:03,120
that if there was a UAP the pilot could

2674
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:05,040
just turn to to get a better photo of it

2675
01:38:08,930 --> 01:38:07,199
like you know it seems like a fairly

2676
01:38:10,430 --> 01:38:08,940
cool thing to show passengers and then

2677
01:38:11,870 --> 01:38:10,440
we would have like a mass sighting in

2678
01:38:14,689 --> 01:38:11,880
the air right

2679
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:14,699
um so yeah just to say that but the the

2680
01:38:19,129 --> 01:38:17,040
ET joke so why don't aliens visit our

2681
01:38:20,450 --> 01:38:19,139
planet

2682
01:38:24,590 --> 01:38:20,460
go on

2683
01:38:27,669 --> 01:38:24,600
it has terrible ratings only one star

2684
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:27,679
that's actually not bad yeah okay yeah

2685
01:38:33,770 --> 01:38:30,719
is that is that from the AI yeah it is

2686
01:38:36,530 --> 01:38:33,780
yeah I'm sorry AI South Park's already

2687
01:38:38,330 --> 01:38:36,540
done that yeah and if anyone wonders

2688
01:38:40,010 --> 01:38:38,340
about Ai and how advanced it is and are

2689
01:38:42,890 --> 01:38:40,020
we approaching Terminator 2 Judgment

2690
01:38:45,709 --> 01:38:42,900
days levels of Skynet no because that's

2691
01:38:48,830 --> 01:38:45,719
what we're using it for currently still

2692
01:38:51,110 --> 01:38:48,840
um quick thought as well um Ryan uh MJ

2693
01:38:52,610 --> 01:38:51,120
jumps on YouTube had mentioned your yeah

2694
01:38:53,510 --> 01:38:52,620
Alex Dietrich interview that was really

2695
01:38:55,070 --> 01:38:53,520
cool

2696
01:38:56,810 --> 01:38:55,080
um says one thing that stands out to me

2697
01:38:58,729 --> 01:38:56,820
is no one ever discussed the object in

2698
01:39:01,129 --> 01:38:58,739
the water that the Tic Tac was engaging

2699
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:01,139
with is there any data information on

2700
01:39:05,450 --> 01:39:03,600
that quick one General thoughts I Know

2701
01:39:06,890 --> 01:39:05,460
Dan we've talked about this before was a

2702
01:39:08,930 --> 01:39:06,900
whale was it some other kind of craft

2703
01:39:14,209 --> 01:39:08,940
under the the water Breaking the Waves

2704
01:39:19,729 --> 01:39:17,209
um I I will I'll just say it was I'm

2705
01:39:22,729 --> 01:39:19,739
glad he asked that and I'm glad I was

2706
01:39:25,790 --> 01:39:22,739
able to ask her about it um the the

2707
01:39:27,410 --> 01:39:25,800
problem here is uh she's just a pilot

2708
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:27,420
and and she was sent up there to

2709
01:39:32,570 --> 01:39:30,480
intercept the object in the air uh she

2710
01:39:34,610 --> 01:39:32,580
did say we went back to look for that

2711
01:39:35,870 --> 01:39:34,620
that disturbance in the water and it was

2712
01:39:38,450 --> 01:39:35,880
gone

2713
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,460
um so and she literally said in the

2714
01:39:42,169 --> 01:39:40,320
interview it was the one time I think

2715
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,179
she kind of like

2716
01:39:46,189 --> 01:39:44,159
um got defensive with me she was like

2717
01:39:49,010 --> 01:39:46,199
well what the hell was I supposed to

2718
01:39:50,990 --> 01:39:49,020
investigate and I'm like that's you know

2719
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:51,000
yeah that's that's a good point

2720
01:39:55,550 --> 01:39:53,760
um I think what MJ Jones is trying to

2721
01:39:58,189 --> 01:39:55,560
say is was there a investigation

2722
01:40:00,410 --> 01:39:58,199
afterwards and we just don't know and

2723
01:40:03,110 --> 01:40:00,420
neither does Alex she's not privy to

2724
01:40:05,930 --> 01:40:03,120
that uh you know if there was an

2725
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:05,940
investigation post Tic Tac event

2726
01:40:09,709 --> 01:40:08,639
um it was not done by a pilot I could

2727
01:40:11,810 --> 01:40:09,719
tell you that much it was probably

2728
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:11,820
someone on the carriers or in a

2729
01:40:15,410 --> 01:40:13,920
submarine of some sort that's kind of

2730
01:40:17,450 --> 01:40:15,420
what I'm envisioning

2731
01:40:20,510 --> 01:40:17,460
um so yeah I think it's a very viable

2732
01:40:23,090 --> 01:40:20,520
question but it's not one that Alex felt

2733
01:40:25,129 --> 01:40:23,100
comfortable really uh discussing because

2734
01:40:27,530 --> 01:40:25,139
she said I did my job

2735
01:40:31,129 --> 01:40:27,540
um I got back on the ship and I moved on

2736
01:40:34,010 --> 01:40:31,139
with my life uh so yeah yeah but I oh

2737
01:40:36,830 --> 01:40:34,020
God I feel like the answers to the Tic

2738
01:40:39,050 --> 01:40:36,840
Tac lay in the water there somewhere so

2739
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:39,060
I hope there was an investigation and I

2740
01:40:42,770 --> 01:40:41,280
hope someday we'll figure out what the

2741
01:40:45,410 --> 01:40:42,780
hell that disturbance in the water was

2742
01:40:47,149 --> 01:40:45,420
Dan I'm sure if it was on EasyJet

2743
01:40:49,010 --> 01:40:47,159
commercial pilot you would have expected

2744
01:40:51,470 --> 01:40:49,020
them to turn around point the notes of

2745
01:40:53,390 --> 01:40:51,480
these jet liner at the water and fly

2746
01:40:55,850 --> 01:40:53,400
down to check out what it was yeah just

2747
01:40:57,770 --> 01:40:55,860
go in right we have these multi-domain

2748
01:41:00,110 --> 01:40:57,780
vehicles now I assume EasyJet are

2749
01:41:01,610 --> 01:41:00,120
employing them to Transit passengers

2750
01:41:04,250 --> 01:41:01,620
they would have charged up for the

2751
01:41:06,410 --> 01:41:04,260
package yeah yeah their bag is just so

2752
01:41:08,330 --> 01:41:06,420
expensive come on Don I think we touched

2753
01:41:10,490 --> 01:41:08,340
on it before but again quickly the the

2754
01:41:13,070 --> 01:41:10,500
object under the water is it something

2755
01:41:16,250 --> 01:41:13,080
is it where they are there or was it

2756
01:41:18,290 --> 01:41:16,260
something less special let's see it

2757
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,300
seems that there was a there there uh I

2758
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:20,159
really loved actually what Alex said in

2759
01:41:24,290 --> 01:41:22,080
the interview because ultimately we

2760
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:24,300
don't no like what were people expecting

2761
01:41:27,709 --> 01:41:26,159
like like you just alluded to Andy you

2762
01:41:29,870 --> 01:41:27,719
know did people expect it to just land

2763
01:41:32,030 --> 01:41:29,880
her jet in the water and get out and

2764
01:41:34,490 --> 01:41:32,040
investigate it like

2765
01:41:35,810 --> 01:41:34,500
what would you even do uh you know

2766
01:41:37,490 --> 01:41:35,820
something underwater isn't going to show

2767
01:41:38,510 --> 01:41:37,500
off on Radars for the planes and things

2768
01:41:40,129 --> 01:41:38,520
like that

2769
01:41:42,890 --> 01:41:40,139
it could have been a multitude of things

2770
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:42,900
uh you know so whales like you say a sub

2771
01:41:46,430 --> 01:41:44,639
that launched something that you know

2772
01:41:48,530 --> 01:41:46,440
was the technology of the Tic Tac could

2773
01:41:50,570 --> 01:41:48,540
have been a nuclear powered something

2774
01:41:52,310 --> 01:41:50,580
that attracted the attention of UFOs

2775
01:41:53,870 --> 01:41:52,320
that we know happens

2776
01:41:56,030 --> 01:41:53,880
um but realistically there there are

2777
01:41:57,410 --> 01:41:56,040
practicalities about this so we kind of

2778
01:42:01,370 --> 01:41:57,420
just have to throw our hands up and say

2779
01:42:07,970 --> 01:42:03,470
yeah I've always looked at that as uh

2780
01:42:09,470 --> 01:42:07,980
really a hey look over here situation

2781
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:09,480
um because if you think about the size

2782
01:42:12,109 --> 01:42:11,040
of the Tic Tac the altitude they were

2783
01:42:14,510 --> 01:42:12,119
flying at they were at the location

2784
01:42:15,890 --> 01:42:14,520
where they were supposed to be but it's

2785
01:42:17,390 --> 01:42:15,900
the ocean it's difficult to see things

2786
01:42:19,250 --> 01:42:17,400
make things out particularly if they're

2787
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,260
not moving very much

2788
01:42:23,570 --> 01:42:21,360
um and it's a strange object to begin

2789
01:42:25,129 --> 01:42:23,580
with so the fact the ocean is churning

2790
01:42:26,330 --> 01:42:25,139
in that way it's like oh like what

2791
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:26,340
you know there's something happening

2792
01:42:30,290 --> 01:42:28,320
right there oh what what is that also

2793
01:42:32,090 --> 01:42:30,300
that's right there you know so it's I

2794
01:42:34,430 --> 01:42:32,100
looked at the whole thing from more of a

2795
01:42:37,370 --> 01:42:34,440
this is getting the attention of the

2796
01:42:39,050 --> 01:42:37,380
pilots to look down so and that I know

2797
01:42:42,850 --> 01:42:39,060
kind of opens up a lot of speculation

2798
01:42:44,930 --> 01:42:42,860
but uh that entire event

2799
01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:44,940
for me at least

2800
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:47,760
it lends to extraordinary speculation of

2801
01:42:51,850 --> 01:42:50,400
the the degree to which the object the

2802
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:51,860
Tic Tac

2803
01:42:58,669 --> 01:42:55,679
anticipated and uh and was connected to

2804
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,679
those pilots and the cap point there are

2805
01:43:03,530 --> 01:43:00,480
just many different

2806
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:03,540
Oddities about it that and indicate a

2807
01:43:07,490 --> 01:43:05,760
kind of level of you know psychological

2808
01:43:09,470 --> 01:43:07,500
connection

2809
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:09,480
um so could there be a technology

2810
01:43:14,570 --> 01:43:12,000
related to it I mean certainly but I I

2811
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:14,580
looked it as more of a um

2812
01:43:19,010 --> 01:43:17,040
x marks the spot you know hey look over

2813
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:19,020
here situation awesome and that's that's

2814
01:43:22,430 --> 01:43:20,639
something that I've heard before as well

2815
01:43:24,109 --> 01:43:22,440
just just to kind of you know back

2816
01:43:25,970 --> 01:43:24,119
Nathan up there there's a channel called

2817
01:43:27,530 --> 01:43:25,980
Bashar and I mean like channeling not

2818
01:43:28,910 --> 01:43:27,540
like a TV channel

2819
01:43:30,290 --> 01:43:28,920
um and he was asked about the Tic Tac

2820
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:30,300
that someone said if you're being from

2821
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:31,679
another place tell us about the Tic Tac

2822
01:43:35,689 --> 01:43:33,360
what is it where'd it come from why were

2823
01:43:37,370 --> 01:43:35,699
they here and he just smoked and he said

2824
01:43:39,950 --> 01:43:37,380
the only purpose of that encounter was

2825
01:43:42,109 --> 01:43:39,960
for the Tic Tac to say look at us here

2826
01:43:43,250 --> 01:43:42,119
we are

2827
01:43:46,010 --> 01:43:43,260
hmm

2828
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:46,020
and on that note gents just think that

2829
01:43:49,010 --> 01:43:47,040
leaves something for people to think

2830
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:49,020
about I think I'm going to ask everyone

2831
01:43:52,490 --> 01:43:50,400
just to kind of plug what you're working

2832
01:43:54,050 --> 01:43:52,500
on at the moment let folks know Dan

2833
01:43:56,510 --> 01:43:54,060
joining kick off

2834
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:56,520
yeah so I'm currently traveling I'm kind

2835
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:57,840
of trying to put together

2836
01:44:01,430 --> 01:44:00,000
um a bunch of videos just based on sites

2837
01:44:03,169 --> 01:44:01,440
that I've been seeing uh some some

2838
01:44:05,629 --> 01:44:03,179
ancient Maya sites and things like that

2839
01:44:07,970 --> 01:44:05,639
and in about three three four weeks I'll

2840
01:44:09,530 --> 01:44:07,980
be headed to Colombia to carry on the

2841
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:09,540
investigation on the mountain there of

2842
01:44:13,550 --> 01:44:12,000
the light phenomena and we're geared up

2843
01:44:16,250 --> 01:44:13,560
with like thermal cameras and stuff this

2844
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,260
time so we we stand to if it appears on

2845
01:44:20,090 --> 01:44:18,239
the mountain we can certainly strike off

2846
01:44:22,910 --> 01:44:20,100
whether it's prosaic or whether we found

2847
01:44:25,010 --> 01:44:22,920
a genuine place with ball lightning or

2848
01:44:26,990 --> 01:44:25,020
something a little more profound

2849
01:44:28,970 --> 01:44:27,000
awesome and I think we'll have Ash on

2850
01:44:30,890 --> 01:44:28,980
soon anyway and you on and Vinnie again

2851
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:30,900
to chat about their season two before it

2852
01:44:36,890 --> 01:44:34,320
comes up uh Nathan what about yourself

2853
01:44:38,990 --> 01:44:36,900
yeah calling on beings we're continuing

2854
01:44:40,729 --> 01:44:39,000
to have interesting conversations you

2855
01:44:42,590 --> 01:44:40,739
know kind of make room for uh strange

2856
01:44:43,609 --> 01:44:42,600
experiences

2857
01:44:45,169 --> 01:44:43,619
um really enjoying kind of the

2858
01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:45,179
conversation we've had lately with folks

2859
01:44:49,729 --> 01:44:47,280
uh in the big fit area I have seen yep

2860
01:44:51,709 --> 01:44:49,739
I've seen some of those yep yeah yeah

2861
01:44:54,830 --> 01:44:51,719
very interesting uh in a lot of

2862
01:44:56,750 --> 01:44:54,840
parallels too to the UFO experience and

2863
01:44:58,430 --> 01:44:56,760
then in liminal frames with uh with EXO

2864
01:45:00,770 --> 01:44:58,440
Academia and just continuing to kind of

2865
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:00,780
push this conversation forward and into

2866
01:45:04,910 --> 01:45:02,880
some different territory I'm getting

2867
01:45:07,550 --> 01:45:04,920
folks to think about uh the kind of

2868
01:45:08,990 --> 01:45:07,560
broader implications of the phenomena

2869
01:45:11,030 --> 01:45:09,000
um some of which I touched on on the

2870
01:45:12,950 --> 01:45:11,040
episode today so yeah that's the work

2871
01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:12,960
man it's uh it's different than it was a

2872
01:45:16,010 --> 01:45:14,400
year ago I don't know how you would you

2873
01:45:18,050 --> 01:45:16,020
know you and Dan and Ryan you would kind

2874
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:18,060
of reflect on that it's different but

2875
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:20,880
it's good awesome and Ryan finally

2876
01:45:26,689 --> 01:45:24,239
yeah man I'm getting weird again I I'm

2877
01:45:29,810 --> 01:45:26,699
so sick of balloons I'm sick of all of

2878
01:45:32,090 --> 01:45:29,820
it I'm just being honest so at somewhere

2879
01:45:34,129 --> 01:45:32,100
in the skies I'm going back to my roots

2880
01:45:36,590 --> 01:45:34,139
I'm talking to the experiencers I'm

2881
01:45:39,770 --> 01:45:36,600
talking about some of the more esoteric

2882
01:45:41,990 --> 01:45:39,780
and um sort of occult themed stuff with

2883
01:45:44,870 --> 01:45:42,000
all of this and uh yeah next week I'm

2884
01:45:47,149 --> 01:45:44,880
talking to uh Fred Anderson a Swedish

2885
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:47,159
UFO investigator who looked into the

2886
01:45:51,109 --> 01:45:49,440
Swedish Men In Black so that's what you

2887
01:45:52,370 --> 01:45:51,119
can sort of expect moving forward with

2888
01:45:54,350 --> 01:45:52,380
somewhere in the skies we're going back

2889
01:45:56,990 --> 01:45:54,360
to the stories the stuff that really

2890
01:45:59,209 --> 01:45:57,000
matters in my opinion

2891
01:46:01,010 --> 01:45:59,219
um and uh yeah yeah be on the lookout

2892
01:46:03,649 --> 01:46:01,020
for the new season of Ancient Aliens

2893
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:03,659
right now doing some work on there and

2894
01:46:08,149 --> 01:46:06,239
uh coming out with a new book in uh just

2895
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:08,159
a few months now got the book cover

2896
01:46:13,490 --> 01:46:11,040
design yesterday very stoked about that

2897
01:46:15,229 --> 01:46:13,500
so um yeah be on the lookout for a new

2898
01:46:17,930 --> 01:46:15,239
somewhere in the skies book in uh I

2899
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:17,940
think May coming in May awesome I'll get

2900
01:46:21,649 --> 01:46:19,199
you back on on your own to talk about

2901
01:46:23,689 --> 01:46:21,659
that one as well and now next up for me

2902
01:46:25,490 --> 01:46:23,699
I know what you mean Ryan I've got three

2903
01:46:28,609 --> 01:46:25,500
members of The Hobby group whose balloon

2904
01:46:31,129 --> 01:46:28,619
was shot down over I thought I haven't

2905
01:46:32,510 --> 01:46:31,139
um I'll uh I'll be putting out a short

2906
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:32,520
preview just to let people know what's

2907
01:46:35,090 --> 01:46:34,080
coming up but Chris pledge was on in

2908
01:46:36,830 --> 01:46:35,100
March

2909
01:46:38,629 --> 01:46:36,840
um what's cool tax coming on to answer

2910
01:46:41,090 --> 01:46:38,639
some listener questions he never got to

2911
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:41,100
do last time Graham Randall's coming on

2912
01:46:45,890 --> 01:46:43,920
and I think that'll be until April to be

2913
01:46:47,149 --> 01:46:45,900
honest at this point but other shows

2914
01:46:48,709 --> 01:46:47,159
filling in between that as well so

2915
01:46:50,990 --> 01:46:48,719
listen gents thank you very much for

2916
01:46:53,209 --> 01:46:51,000
your time I appreciate it Nathan stay

2917
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:53,219
safe in the storm uh that's not a

2918
01:46:56,689 --> 01:46:54,960
analogy of the actual storm that you're

2919
01:46:58,669 --> 01:46:56,699
going through at the moment

2920
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:58,679
um Dan is merging into if you're

2921
01:47:01,970 --> 01:47:00,000
watching this on YouTube one of the

2922
01:47:04,430 --> 01:47:01,980
Simpsons characters given his intense

2923
01:47:06,530 --> 01:47:04,440
background apologies if that's triggered

2924
01:47:09,169 --> 01:47:06,540
anything for anyone watching um any

2925
01:47:10,669 --> 01:47:09,179
strobe effects and uh Ryan all the best

2926
01:47:12,770 --> 01:47:10,679
living up there in Scotland I hope

2927
01:47:14,410 --> 01:47:12,780
you're still enjoying it absolutely I'm

2928
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:14,420
loving it man thanks for having me

2929
01:47:19,070 --> 01:47:16,800
anytime thank you gents and speak to you

2930
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,080
soon that is all for this week's show

2931
01:47:23,149 --> 01:47:21,360
thank you very much for listening please

2932
01:47:25,790 --> 01:47:23,159
remember to leave the podcast a review

2933
01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:25,800
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2934
01:47:30,290 --> 01:47:28,320
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2935
01:47:32,330 --> 01:47:30,300
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2936
01:47:33,890 --> 01:47:32,340
being uploaded onto YouTube as we speak

2937
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more and more you can sign up at

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patreon.com forward slash that UFO

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podcast to access it shows ad free as

2940
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well please get in touch on Twitter

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Facebook Instagram that UFO podcast of

2942
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course on Twitter it's at

2943
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ufo-u-a-p-a-m and again folks as always

2944
01:47:52,250 --> 01:47:50,520
keep looking up you never know what you

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might see

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[Music]

2947
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because it doesn't really scare me

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[Music]

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01:49:31,639 --> 01:49:36,840
consider your eyes

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[Music]

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thank you